On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net>
wrote:
On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I suspect that this is perhaps why Brent want to refer to the
environment
for relating consciousness to the machine, and in Artificial
Intelligence,
some people defend the idea that (mundane) consciousness occur
only when the
environment contradicts a little bit the quasi automatic persistent
inference we do all the time.
That's Jeff Hawkins model of consciousness: one becomes conscious of
something when all lower, more specialized levels of the brain have
found it
not to match their predictions.
In that sort of model, how does matter "know" that it is being used to
run a forecasting algorithm? Surely it doesn't right?
Imagine a society which builds some objects. When everything go well,
the boss can sleep in his office. But then there is some accident or
something unusual. That is the time to wake up the boss. In this
analogy, consciousness is played by the (incorrigible) boss.
The only way this could work is if the forecasting algorithm and the
cascading effects of failing predictions have the side effect of
creating the "right" sort of interactions at a lower level that
trigger consciousness.
After a moment of panic, the sub-entities dare to awake the ultimate
judge: the one capable of "going out of the box" to take a (perhaps
risky) decision in absence of complete information, and to take on its
shoulder the responsibility.
Then I want to know what these interactions
are, and what if the "atom" of consciousness, what is the first
principle. Without this, I would say that such hypothesis are not even
wrong.
The sub-unities have specialized task, and does not need evolved
forecasting ability. You can think them as ants, when they do their
usual jobs triggered by the local pheromones left by their close
neighbors. But if the nest is attacked, or if some important food is
missing, some species will needs some order of the queen (ike to fight
or to move away. Some societies can delegate most of the power to the
sub-unities, but in complex unknown situation, if they have to make
important decision, they will need a centralization of the power,
which can act much more quickly to convince the whole society of some
unusual option, like running away, closing the doors, fighting the
enemy, etc. That will happen when *many* ants complain on something.
In this case, the role of consciousness is focusing the attention on
what is important (with respect to survival), and to speed-up
planning, decision, etc.
I am not sure this answer the question (we are in the "easy" part of
the problem here).
But you will help me by telling me what is missing. I am not sure we
need to dig on the difficult part of the consciousness problem here,
which is handed at a different level, and concerned with the fact that
the boss/queen is confined in his office/chamber and can never be sure
if the ants panic is genuine, or an illusion, and still decide ...
Bruno
Bruno
Telmo.
Brent
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