> On 6 Mar 2018, at 00:50, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 3/5/2018 6:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 23:00, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/3/2018 11:48 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So what do you find more convincing: An axiomatic proof that God >>>>>>>> exists, >>>>>>>> e.g. St Anslem's or Goedel's. or The mere empirical absence of >>>>>>>> evidence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In these proves, God = Totality / Ultimate Reality / The Whole >>>>>>>> Shebang. They don't mention commandments, or talking snakes or burning >>>>>>>> bushes. I think you are proposing a false equivalence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, you are inserting one. St Anselm proves that perfect being/agent >>>>>>>> exists. He didn't claim to prove any other mythology. So the question >>>>>>>> stands: Who ya gonna believe? the axiomatic proof or your lyin' eyes? >>>>>>> I find St. Anselm's proof meaningless, because perfection is a human >>>>>>> concept, i.e. it is relative to our evolutionary niche and >>>>>>> circumstances. The perfect shot for the hunter is not the perfect shot >>>>>>> for the prey. Ok, so let's say that reality as a whole counts as the >>>>>>> perfect being. Perhaps. Could it be any other way that would be worse? >>>>>> I meant "that would be better", of course. >>>>> Well I have a friend whose 12yr old daughter died of leukemia in great >>>>> pain. >>>>> I think it could be better. >>>> I understand what you are saying. >>>> My point is this: could some totally that supports something as >>>> complex as human beings not include little girls with leukemia? >>> "Could" implies a question about possibilities. It's certainly logically >>> possible that there not be such a disease as leukemia. Is it nomologically >>> possible?...not as far as we know. >> Assuming mechanism it is logically impossible. Biological viruses and >> molecular diseases are, globally (like the notion of Turing machine) >> universal, and so there is no algorithm or program making such “totality” >> immune for such diseases. They necessarily coevolve. > > That's fallacious reasoning. Just because there is no algorithm creating > immunity doesn't mean the disease exists. I can imagine many diseases that > happen not to exist (e.g. airborne ebola).
Me too. That is straw man. I was saying that there is no algorithm saving us from all *possible* disease. > >> >> Of course, we can progress, and win the battles on larger class of diseases >> and parasites, > > As we, for example, eliminated smallpox. So it is not only logically, but > nomologically possible that smallpox not exist. > >> but after some time, they will find the way to “hack” the body again. That >> can be related to the halting problem, or to the second recursion theorem. >> >> I fell sorry for your daughter’s friend, as having great pain seems to mean >> she got some therapy and not others, which seems to cure better and are much >> less painful, but here it is human lies which hides the possible help … (I >> know it is quite difficult and delicate to mess with the health of other >> people, doubly so when ignorance and lies play a so big role in the economy). > > She got the best known care. For pain she got morphine, but the bone marrow > expands and causes great pain in the bones that even morphine doesn't > relieve. At the end she asked permission to die. So sad, Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
