On 3/18/2018 7:51 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 12:04 AM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
/> The evolutionary argument is a good one for brains like humans
and other animals. But it may be that consciousness is
only entailed by intelligence that is realized by neural nets with
limited memory or some other constraints that are accidents of
the evolution of intelligence on Earth./
So limited memory is a requirement for consciousness and other
constraints may be needed too, so there is a inverse relationship,
I wrote "OR other constraints".
the smarter you are the less conscious you become. Well maybe, I can't
prove the idea is wrong with mathematical rigor but if its true then
its odd that when I get very sleepy I become less conscious and if you
were observing me at the time you'd say my IQ was about 50 points
lower than it was when I was not sleepy.
It's not about your variation over time, it's about variation from one
intelligent species to another. For example, octopuses are fairly
intelligent but their neural structure is distributed very differently
from mammals of similar intelligence. An artificial intelligence that
was not modeled on mammalian brain structure might be intelligent but
not conscious or conscious in some very different way. I'm not claiming
I know this is so; I'm claiming that the evolutionary argument doesn't
apply to such an AI or to some species (like octopuses) that are not on
our evolutionary branch.
Brent
/> Intelligence realized in some other way might not be conscious/
You can play the maybe game for eternity. Maybe my fellow human beings
are intelligent in some other way than I am intelligent and are
therefore not conscious. Actually in this case there is no maybe about
it, you ARE intelligent in some way different from me, otherwise you'd
be me and I'd be you.
/> or might be conscious in different way that we couldn't
recognize as such./
Maybe. We don't recognize trees and rocks and human cadavers as being
conscious because they don't behave intelligently, but maybe they are.
Maybe, but I doubt it.
John K Clark
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