On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:03 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> > If the theory is that if the observable behaviour of the brain is >> > replicated, then consciousness will also be replicated, then the clear >> > corollary is that consciousness can be inferred from observable behaviour. > > Yes. >> >> > Which implies that I can be as certain of the consciousness of other >> > people as I am of my own. > > No. The idea that consciousness can be inferred from intelligent behavior is > an axiom of existence,
People commit acts of cruelty against animals with highly sophisticated behaviors all the time. Not to speak of slavery, and all the people already dreaming of AI-slavery, Blade Runner style. > it has no proof and will never have a proof but it > sure seems like its true, and every sane human being uses it every hour of > their waking life. And there is always a element of doubt in real life, or > at least there should be, so something need not provide absolute certainty > to be enormously useful. As for my own consciousness I don’t have a proof of > that either but I don’t need one because I’ve got the one thing that can > pull rank even over proof, direct experience. I agree with all that you say above. Telmo. >> >> > This seems to do some violence to the 1p/1pp/3p distinctions > > Bruno’s the one who started pushing that ridiculous phrase, I suppose he > thought it sounded more profound erudite and scientific than “the difference > between you and me”. And I would maintain nobody outside a looney bin has > difficulty finding the "1p/1pp/3p distinction”. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
