> On 17 Apr 2018, at 17:40, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 6:21:33 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > On 4/16/2018 4:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 20:53, Brent Meeker <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/13/2018 6:44 AM, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: >>>> But since the momentum of either particle doesn't pre-exist the >>>> measurement, there is a FTL influence, which IS hard to understand. In >>>> fact, I doubt anyone does understand it. AG >>> >>> What would it mean to "understand it" besides being able to use the >>> equations to make correct inferences? >> >> It could mean having a coherent ontology, a coherent phenomenology, and a >> coherent explanation of the relations between them. > > I think "coherent" just means expressed in equations and the interpretation > of them that allows their application. It's not some separate magic you add. > > Brent. > > If that were the case, why does the physics community makes such a fuss about > non-locality? Why all these discussions dating back many decades to Bohr vs > Einstein? We have the equations, so we can just calculate and move on. > Correct? AG
In part this is what happens. When I made a talk on EPR, when I was student, the unanimity was that it was “philosophy” with no application. But a student knew Bell, … but that did not change their mind. At least after Aspect, the problem was taken more seriously by some. The problem is that EPR (even without Bell) proves this (implicitly): which is that either there is only one universe/history, and then there are action at a distance, or there is a many-universes/histories. As I cannot even make sense of action at a distance, I took Aspect experience as a strong evidence for the many-histories structure, then it is also very natural with the mechanist hypothesis, because it is a theorem of elementary arithmetic that all computations are emulated in the arithmetical reality, like it is a theorem that an infinity of (all) primes exists (Euclid) in the arithmetical reality. Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
