> On 28 Jul 2018, at 01:37, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 7:15:58 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:19:47 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 19:55, <agrays...@gmail.com <>> a écrit : > > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:58:47 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 09:26, <agrays...@gmail.com <>> a écrit : > > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:31:26 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, <agrays...@gmail.com <>> a écrit : > > > On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, <agrays...@gmail.com <>> wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > I still don't get it why some people prefer insulting other people and their > ideas instead of discussing or just stay with their own thoughts and just say > they disagree... What do you gain by saying they are insane, stupid or > whatever? > > It just looks to me childish. So stop doing this, stop writing in 70pt size > red fonts... It's a disfavor to your arguments. > > Quentin > > In fact, I DO think it's a mental illness. AG > > It's not just wrong, but a gross dysfunction of judgment. Joe the Plumber > goes into a lab or his closet, shoots a single electron at a slit, and by so > doing creates uncountable universes, all with copies of himself, replete with > his memories. Sure. AG > > You may as well protest on the same basis that the universe can’t be so > wastefully large. > > I don't see how that follows. Unfortunately, one cannot PROVE that the many > worlds allegedly implied by the MWI interpretation don't exist, which is why > I insist the True Believers are judgment impaired. Do you really believe that > trivial actions by mere humans, accidents of evolution, can create entire > universes? AG. > > > No, because that's not what happens, at every interactions, universes > split/differentiate... Humans or not. > > > Humans have nothing to do in the process. > > Like I said, the True Believers are judgement impaired. The splitting occurs > BECAUSE Joe the Plumber DECIDES to perform a single event slit experiment. AG > > > Your judgment is impaired because that 's not what happens, splitting happens > continuously, Joe the plumber is part of the universe so as his thoughts and > whatever he does... His decisions are not something that exists independently > outside of that, Joe the plumber does not create universe, any qm > interactions split the universe, since the beginning of the universe, no > humans needed at all. > 5 > I misspoke. I just meant that by doing a single event slit experiment, it is > alleged by the MWI that the universe splits uncountably. I didn't mean that > the alleged physical splitting is caused by human consciousness, in this case > the decision to do the experiment. It's like a man deciding to jump off a > roof and gets killed; his death is directly caused by gravity, not that the > man caused the gravity to exist. The alleged splitting is not disprovable, > just plausible for those whose judgement is impaired due to an over reliance > on mathematics. As I pointed out several times, without any reasoned > responses, in E&M we have plane wave solutions to Maxwell's Equations, but > plane waves do not exist in nature. IOW, mathematics modeling physical > reality can sometimes be misleading as in the E&M example. AG > > It's you who's using the Joe the plumber argument to make it looks like > insane... It's just a straw man. Stop using insult and straw man, it is > useless and childish. > > He was a republican, just a citizen who had his 15 minutes of fame in a > recent US election. You can change the name, but it comes to the same result. > While you're at it, tell us about the mathematics that leads to plane wave > solutions which don't exist in reality. AG > > The fallacy in your reasoning which supports the MWI and which you are loathe > to admit, is over-reliance on mathematics, the belief that it always gives > solutions that exist in physical reality.
Not at all. The belief in physical superposition comes from single photon thought experiences, corroborated by all the experimentation. Unlike the plane wave, all experiences suggests that the amplitude of the wave counts. In Feynman’s formulation of QM, the wave is recovered from the sum on all path. Attempts to select some parts of the wave are not confirmed by the experiences. > The plane wave solutions of ME's is a good example of what I am referring to; > mathematical solutions that don't exist in nature. AG The whole weirdness of QM is that we can measure effects which in that formalism entails the actuality of counterfactuals. Computationalism is more than OK with this, as it predicted that for almost all universal machine (that is all except a finite number of exception), the reality below its substitution level is an infinite sum of universal machine, and above its substitution level it is a finite sum of universal machine (to handle with). Actually, physical decoherence saves mechanism, and QM, from solipsism. Grayson, you seem to dislike the many-worlds or many-dreams, but eventually, with mechanism, all we need to assume is the many-numbers, or the many-combinators (as I will illustrate). The physical reality is not a mathematical structure among others: it is the border of the observable from a universal machine viewpoint. A very peculiar structure implied by mechanism and a notion of correct self-reference. Bruno > > > Quentin > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com <>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com <>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com <>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
