> On 8 Sep 2018, at 23:53, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Bruno Marchal Wrote: > > > I cannot see primary matter. In fact I am not sure what you mean by matter, > > or by “mathematical-material universe”. [...] I have proven (40 years ago) > > that materialism (the belief in some primary matter, or physicalism) and > > Mechanism are incompatible. > > If you don't know what "matter" means then you certainly don't know what > "primary matter" means, so what the hell did you prove 40 years ago?
That if mechanism is true, the observable has to rely on a sophisticated “sum” on all computations. Matter = observable Primary matter is the doctrine by Aristotle according to which there is a primary physical universe, or a primary sort of (non mathematical) reality from which those observable would have emerge. With mechanism, it can be shown that the laws pertaining on the observable have to be reduced to some mode of arithmetical self-reference. > I'm not even going to ask what you think physicalism means because any such > answer has to include physics and physics has to involve matter which you > admit confuses you. No, it does not confuse me. It is just shown inconsistent to believe that we have to assume its existence. A realm is primary if it cannot be reduced to some other field”. May believe that biology is not primary, because it can be reduced (apparently) to chemistry and physics. Similarly, with Mechanism, physics is reducible to number theory or Turing equivalent. > And for the same reason I'm not going to ask about "Mechanism" , the reply > would only contain yet more words you can neither define nor give examples of. Digital Mechanism is the doctrine that there is a level of description of our body such that we can survive with a (physical) digital brain or body, if it faithfully represents our body’s functionality at that description level. Bruno > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
