> On 16 Dec 2018, at 10:29, 'scerir' via Everything List 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> A numerus (literally: "number"i) was the term used for a unit of the Roman 
> army <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_army>.. In the Imperial Roman army 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Roman_army> (30 BC – 284 AD), it 
> referred to units of barbarian <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarian> 
> allies who were not integrated into the regular army structure of legions 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_legion> and auxilia 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliaries_(Roman_military)>. 
> 
> I'm inclined to think that numbers - for there obiectivity - need a good 
> "counter" (somebody or somethink).
> 
> 'I raised just this objection with the (extreme) ultrafinitist Yessenin 
> Volpin during a lecture of his. He asked me to be more specific. I then 
> proceeded to start with 2^1 and asked him whether this is "real" or something 
> to that effect. He virtually immediately said yes. Then I asked about 2^2, 
> and he again said yes, but with a perceptible delay. Then 2^3, and yes, but 
> with more delay. This continued for a couple of more times, till it was 
> obvious how he was handling this objection. Sure, he was prepared to always 
> answer yes, but he was going to take 2^100 times as long to answer yes to 
> 2^100 then he would to answering 2^1. There is no way that I could get very 
> far with this.' -Harvey M. Friedman
> 
> Dunno if in each every part of this universe there is a good  "counter". 
> Maybe universe itself, as a whole, is a "counter”?.
> 

Sure. Any argument showing that the primary universe exist would be a 
refutation of Mechanism. That is why we do the test, but they confirm that the 
primary universe do not exist, and actually, they refute already that a primary 
universe can make sense. That is understood and normal for most physicists. 
Only materialist philosophers (dogmatic believers) have a problem with this, 
but they don’t argue. They insult, or talk with dismiss tones, etc.



>  'Paper in white the floor of the room, and rule it off in one-foot squares. 
> Down on one's hands and knees, write in the first square a set of equations 
> conceived as able to govern the physics of the universe. Think more 
> overnight. Next day put a better set of equations into square two. Invite 
> one's most respected colleagues to contribute to other squares. At the end of 
> these labors, one has worked oneself out into the doorway. Stand up, look 
> back on all those equations, some perhaps more hopeful than others, raise 
> one's finger commandingly, and give the order "Fly!" Not one of those 
> equations will put on wings, take off, or fly. Yet the universe 
> "flies".(Wheeler on page 1208 of Gravitation)
> 
> 

That mystery is solved with mechanism. There is just no “Universe”. Only a 
persistent idea shared by all universal number in arithmetic.

Bruno





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