On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 8:43:32 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/17/2018 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Sure. Any argument showing that the primary universe exist would be a > > refutation of Mechanism. That is why we do the test, but they confirm > > that the primary universe do not exist, and actually, they refute > > already that a primary universe can make sense. That is understood and > > normal for most physicists. Only materialist philosophers (dogmatic > > believers) have a problem with this, but they don’t argue. They > > insult, or talk with dismiss tones, etc. > > > You ask that a lot of work be done by the word "primary" when it's only > meaning seems to be "a place we start from". > > Let me see if I can summarize your theory without all the arguments for > it which, I think, motivate extraneous objections. > > Premises: > 1. The reason a brain produces consciousness (and non-brains don't) is > that a brain instantiates a certain class of computations. > 2. The class of conscious computations can be instantiated differently > and still produce the same conscious thoughts. > 3. Arithmetic exists. > > Conclusions: > 4. Arithmetic instantiates all possible computations and this includes > the class of conscious computations. > 5. All possible consciousness exists in arithmetic. > 6. All physical reality exists as an inference from conscious thought > and there is no other evidence for it. > > I don't necessarily accept those, but I'm willing to consider them as a > theory of everything and see what they predict. One thing you often > repeat is that you can derive QM from them. So what is that derivation? >
*I've requested that (approximate) derivation several times for motivational purposes, but to no avail. * *I am doubtful he can do it. He just keeps saying to read his papers. AG * > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
