On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:44 PM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:57 AM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you include all events as as present moments, and say that they all >>>>> exist, then how is this different from the block-time view (which says >>>>> only >>>>> that all points in time exist and are real)? >>>>> >>>> >>>> They differ in exactly the same was a 10^80 protons differs from one >>>> proton. The block-time view claims that all moments exist timelessly and >>>> simultaneously. As well as being inconsistent with the relativity of >>>> simultaneity, the notion is incoherent. >>>> >>> >>> Why is it incoherent? What does moments popping out of existence do to >>> make the conception more coherent? >>> >> >> The notion of present moments "popping into and out of existence" makes >> sense only in terms of some external concept of time. If the present moment >> is all that exists at the moment, then it can't be said to "pop" from >> anywhere because it doesn't exist in any external timeless sense. If time >> is simply what you read on your local clock, the idea of a block universe >> becomes incoherent, because it requires time to be something other than >> that which you read on your local clock. >> > > I would say that if time is simply what you read on your local clock, then > the idea of a block universe becomes the only coherent view. > You might very well say that, but I couldn't possibly agree. > I don't know why you think block-time somehow redefines what time is. It > merely says events in space time don't pop into or out of existence, they > simply exist. > Who said moments in time pop into and out of existence. I rejected that idea a nonsensical a long time ago. All your block universe ideas rely on an unstated underlying notion of Newtonian absolute time. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
