On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:44 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:57 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you include all events as as present moments, and say that they all >>>>> exist, then how is this different from the block-time view (which says >>>>> only >>>>> that all points in time exist and are real)? >>>>> >>>> >>>> They differ in exactly the same was a 10^80 protons differs from one >>>> proton. The block-time view claims that all moments exist timelessly and >>>> simultaneously. As well as being inconsistent with the relativity of >>>> simultaneity, the notion is incoherent. >>>> >>> >>> Why is it incoherent? What does moments popping out of existence do to >>> make the conception more coherent? >>> >> >> The notion of present moments "popping into and out of existence" makes >> sense only in terms of some external concept of time. If the present moment >> is all that exists at the moment, then it can't be said to "pop" from >> anywhere because it doesn't exist in any external timeless sense. If time >> is simply what you read on your local clock, the idea of a block universe >> becomes incoherent, because it requires time to be something other than >> that which you read on your local clock. >> > > I would say that if time is simply what you read on your local clock, then > the idea of a block universe becomes the only coherent view. > You might very well say that, but I couldn't possibly agree. > I don't know why you think block-time somehow redefines what time is. It > merely says events in space time don't pop into or out of existence, they > simply exist. > Who said moments in time pop into and out of existence. I rejected that idea a nonsensical a long time ago. All your block universe ideas rely on an unstated underlying notion of Newtonian absolute time. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
