On 12/20/2018 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:08 PM Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 12/20/2018 8:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker
<meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker
<meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark
<johnkcl...@gmail.com <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 PM Jason Resch
<jasonre...@gmail.com
<mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
/> The Shrodinger equation is deterministic./
Yes.
> /Quantum Randomness, like a moving present, is
a subjective phenomenon./
The Schrodinger equationdescribes the quantum wave
function using complex numbers, and that is not
observable so it's subjective in the same way that
lines of latitude and longitude are. However the
square of the absolute value of the wave function
is observable because that produces a probability
that we can measure in the physical world that is
objective, provided anything deserves that word;
but it also yields something that is not deterministic.
It is still deterministic. If you say otherwise you are
introducing "collapse", and saying the other unobserved
outcomes have stopped existing and are no long part of
the system. Schrodinger's equation does not say this
is what happened, it just says that you have ended up
with a system with many sets of observers, each of
which observed different outcomes.
You seem to think Schroedinger's equation was handed
down to him on stone tablets from God.
QM is the most accurate and successful theory in science. I
will believe it until something better comes along.
It was the most accurate and successful theory in science
well before Everett came along.
It wasn't a mathematical theory until Everett came along and
deleted the unmathematical and loosely defined part that was
incompatible with half a dozen scientific principles.
The only "scientific principle" CI was incompatible with was a
revulsion for randomness. As Roland Omnes' says it's a
probabilistic theory, so it predicts probabilities.
Also: it would be the only physical theory which held different
principles at different scales / magical observers (or consciousness,
or something else),
You really have taken a religious attitude toward Schroedinger's
equation. Have you considered that QM and gravity have not been
reconciled and theories can be replaced?
Bohr simply pointed out (correctly) that all measurement, all record
keeping, all reports, all replication of experiments, all science depend
on the existence of a classical realm. If decoherence theory can derive
this realm as a statistical phenomenon, fine; but it doesn't invalidate
Bohr's point.
non-realism,
That's pretty funny from someone who imagines an infinite continuum of
"reality" in which everything and its contrary happens.
violation of speed of light
There's no more or less violation of relativity in CI than MWI.
Correlations at space-like intervals show up in both
, time irreversibility,
Irreversibility means some things happen and some don't.
inability to consider multiple observers, inability to describe
universe prior to observers, non-linearity, discontinuous, etc.
CI did not depend on conscious observers. Instruments in the sense of
leaving physical records were enough.
Brent
Jason
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