> On 22 Dec 2018, at 22:36, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 12/22/2018 1:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 21 Dec 2018, at 03:22, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jason Resch <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:05 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> 1. It is a prediction of eternal inflation and string theory. >>> >>> String theory and its "landscape" are very speculative, and unlikely to >>> have any relation to the real world -- there is no evidence that string >>> theory is even a coherent theory! Eternal inflation, although popular, is >>> only one possibility for inflation, and even inflationary theory itself is >>> not well-established science. >>> >>> I agree they are speculative, but they are on the side many many universes. >>> Meanwhile there is no evidence for "the only universe that exists is the >>> one I can see". >>> >>> The universe we see is the only one for which we have any concrete >>> evidence, and that evidence is indubitable. >> >> That is of course a strong evidence for a physical reality, but unless we >> buy the Aristotelian theology, “seeing” is not an evidence for a >> metaphysical reality. > > That's sort of redefining what is meant by "reality”.
Yes, that is the point of scientific metaphysics or theology. If God appears to not be omnipotent, we change the definition, like if Earth is not flat we adopt the new theory. Expect “reality” to defeat all theories and all definitions, but still, with luck, being at least less and less wrong. > >> >> I think the whole problem is here: a confusion for the evidence for physics >> with an evidence for a metaphysics. This has worked for 1500 years, only by >> terror, violence, and then habits, and the constant hiding of the >> (mind-body) problem under the rug (notably through “fairy tales”). > > Physics is the evidence for metaphysics, i.e. metaphysics is about physics, > it seeks to explain why the world, including physics, is what it is. Physics is as much an evidence for Aristotle than Plato, and its remarkable use of mathematics is an evidence for Plato. If string theory is correct, the reason why photon have no mass is related to the distribution of the prime numbers (!). Metaphysics is not about physics, although it has relation with it. To identify physics and metaphysics *is* the Aristotelian move. It equates God with a primitively material/physical universe. It is bit like saying that one universal number win on all the other. That is not excluded, and may be the physical laws are a quantum universal dovetailing, but even if that is the case, to benefit of the G/G* separation (and get the distinction qualia/quanta), we have to derive that special “physical” universal number from self-reference. Bruno > > Brent >> >> Physics is a wonderful science, but to make physics systematically, without >> argument nor evidence, into a metaphysics is a form of “modern” >> charlatanism, when made consciously, and still a form of obscurantism when >> done by ignorance. With science, doubts are mandatory. >> >> Bruno > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
