On 4/16/2019 9:42 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
Because Rover is just a bunch of atoms. Is nothing more than the sum
of atoms.
First, that's false. The Rover is a very specific arrangement of atoms
interacting with a specific environment. It has memory, purpose, and
the ability to act.
But in the case of self-reference/emergence, each new level is more
than the sum of the previous levels.
I don't know how you can trick yourself so badly into believing that
if you put some rocks together, the rocks become alive.
Try removing the phosphate atoms from your brain and see what you
believe...if anything.
Maybe because you think that the brain is just a bunch of atoms. No,
it is now. If you were to measure what the electrons are doing in the
brain, you would see that they are not moving according to known
physics, but they are being moved by consciousness.
And have you done this observation? A Nobel prize awaits.
Brent
And this doesn't happen in a machine. In a machine, electrons move
according to known physics.
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:25:40 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote:
How can you argue that Rover has no knowledge, when you say that
knowledge is not formalisable?
Introducing some fuzziness to claim a negative thing about a
relation of the type consciousness/machine is a bit frightening.
It reminds the catholic older sophisticated “reasoning” to assert
that Indians have no soul.
Bruno
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