On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 11:11:31 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> > On 17 Apr 2019, at 01:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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> > On 4/16/2019 6:42 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
> >> In the experientialist (Strawson-Goff-etc. "panpsychist" view):
> experiential qualia (EQ) exist in matter at some level on their own -- and
> EQ cannot be reduced to information (numbers).
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> >> So real "selfness" cannot be achieved in any "Gödel-Löb-etc." theorem
> prover running on the so-called conventional computer.
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> >> Now some future biological computers -- made via synthetic biology --
> open new possibilities.
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> > What makes them "biological"? Do they have to be made of amino acids?
> nuclei acids? do they have to be powered by a phosphate cycle? What
> makes one bunch of biological molecules conscious and another very similar
> bunch dead, or anesthesized?
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> > The only coherent answer is that consciousness is realized by certain
> information processing...independent of the molecules instantiating the
> process.
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> Good point, and this is what will lead, when assuming the process are
> digital, to associate a mind to all “enough similar” digital process
> realised, in the precise sense of Church and Turing, in arithmetic. It is
> the same information which os processed, at the “right” level, which exist
> by the assumption of digital mechanism.
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> Bruno
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Information may be sufficient to compose consciousness, but I am skeptical.
Wheeler said "it from bit" (or "qbit"), but I say "xbit".
φbits = 2bits+qbits (physical bits: information)
ψbits = xbits (psychical bits: experience)
https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2019/02/08/2bits-qbits-xbits-a-cosmos/
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