On 18-04-2019 03:29, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:22:35PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via
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But how complete must the self-model be. 

That is the 64 million dollar question.

As Bruno has pointed out, it can't
be complete.  Current Mars Rovers have some "house keeping"self-knowledge, like battery charge, temperature, power draw, next task, location, time,...

I don't think that's enough. I think it must have the ability to
recognise other (perhaps similar) robots/machines as being like
itself.

Of course current rovers don't have AI which would entail them learning and planning, which would require that they be able to run a simulation which included some representation of themself; but that representation might be very simple.  When you plan to travel to the next city your plan includes a
representation of yourself, but probably only as a location.


Hod Lipson's starfish's representation of itself is no doubt rather
simple and crude, but it does pose the question of whether it might
have some sort of consciousness.



There exists at least a "minimal system" comprising of the rover and perhaps controllers on Earth that makes the rover capable of taking in random information from its environment, interpret it and then take whatever action is necessary to make sure it is able to stay clear of trouble while performing certain tasks. The action it needs to take to stay clear of trouble implicitly contains information about itself. Of all the possible physical states the rover can be in, most correspond to the rover being in a totally broken down state. Then there are also ideal states and not so ideal states. The rover (with the aid of controllers) is programmed to take action to prevent it from drifting away to a less than ideal state and if it is in a less than ideal state, it will take action to try to get back into a more ideal state.


Saibal

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