> On 19 Apr 2019, at 01:24, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:34:26AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: >> >> >> On 4/18/2019 2:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> For >> instance, without an observer to interpret a certain pile of atoms as >> a machine, it is just a pile of atoms. >> >> Are you saying that Mars Rover cannot interpret some of its data on Mars, >> when nobody observed it, or are you saying that Mars Rover has enough >> observation abilities? >> >> >> What makes the Mars Rover a machine is that it can act and react to its >> environment. If it's an AI Rover it can learn and plan and reflect. To >> invoke >> an "observer" is just push the problem away to "What is an observer?" > > To not recognise the observer is simply to put the problem under a > rug. Without an interpretation that voltages in excess of 3V represent > 1, and voltages less than 2V represent 0, the logic circuits are just > analogue electrical circuits. Without such an interpretation (and > ipso facto an observer), the rover is not processing data at all! > > Note an observer need be nothing more than a mapping of physical space > to semantic space. One possibility is to bootstrap the observer by > self-reflection.
That is needed to just define the “physical space”. This one cannot be invoked through an ontological commitment, or mechanism is abandoned of course. Bruno > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Senior Research Fellow [email protected] > Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
