Exactly. This is the whole point. In order to have self-reference, you need to have a self. And you don't just get a self by arranging atoms in certain positions. You don't get a self by bringing a bunch of atoms together and calling them "a robot", because calling them "a robot" is just something that you yourself do in your own consciousness. Only because you call that bunch of atoms "a robot" it doesn't mean that all of a sudden magic happens and that bunch of atoms really become "a robot", or a self. So you don't just get selves. Self is a rather specific entity. Self is exactly that entity that is included by default in the very notion of "self-reference". Self is that ontological entity that has as its very property the property of referring-back-to-itself. And automatically that kind of entity is unformalizable.
On Friday, 19 April 2019 10:44:39 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > The problematic part of "self-reference" is "self". > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
