On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 5 Nov 2018, at 02:56, Martin Abramson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Consciousness is a program. > > > Consciousness might be related to a program, but is not a program, that > would identify a first person notion with a third person notion, like a > glass of bear and its price. > > > > It explores whatever entity it finds itself within and becomes that > creature's awareness of the world. For humans it becomes the identity or > soul which responds to anything that affects the organism. It can be > uploaded into a data bank but otherwise it dissipates with death. > > > > How? We can attach a soul to a machine, but a machine cannot attach its > soul to any particular computations, only to the infinity of (relative) > computations, and there is at least aleph_zero one, of not a continuum. > > Bruno > > > The above reminded me of this quote from Alan Turing: Personally I think that spirit is really eternally connected with matter but certainly not always by the same kind of body. I did believe it possible for a spirit at death to go to a universe entirely separate from our own, but now I consider that matter and spirit are so connected that this would be a contradiction in terms. It is possible however but unlikely that such universes may exist. Then as regards the actual connection between spirit and body I consider that the body by reason of being a living body can ``attract´´ and hold on to a ``spirit,´´ whilst the body is alive and awake the two are firmly connected. When the body is asleep I cannot guess what happens but when the body dies the ``mechanism´´ of the body, holding the spirit is gone and the spirit finds a new body sooner or later perhaps immediately. Jason > > > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:49 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:22 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> *> By "experience", philosophers (like Galen Strawson, Philip Goff) mean >>> that which you have within yourself right now: the awareness that* [...] >>> >> >> Awareness? But awareness is just another word for consciousness, so when >> you say "*It's that experience (not just information) that needs >> processing to produc**e consciousness" *you're saying that to produce >> consciousness you must process consciousness. I don't find that very >> helpful. >> >>> > I assume I can be outsmarted by Watson on Jeopardy! >>> >> >> Then Watson't intelligence isn't very pseudo. >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
