> On 10 May 2019, at 18:48, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:25 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> Turing was interested in intelligence and, being a scientist, he knew he > >> couldn't say anything about consciousness unless he made the assumption > >> that observable intelligent behavior implies consciousness. > > > But that was due to the influence of the young Wittgenstein and the whole > > Vienna philosophy (positivism). > Today this is shown false, as there is a theory explains consciousness, and > verified by facts. > > It's false? So you have found a way of detecting consciousness in other > people or things without using the assumption that intelligent behavior > implies consciousness! Wow, this is huge news let's hear all about it! I'm > all ears!
No, we can’t detect consciousness. I was saying that today positivisme is abandoned. It is the idea that we have to abandon the concept of consciousness because we can’t detect it which has been abandonned. Many people understand the “hard problem of consciousness” (a materialist formulation of the Mind-Body problem). Then with Mechanism, a subproblem of the consciousness problem is to derive the physical laws by the statistics on all computations. Turing’s behaviourism/positivism made him miss that problem. > > >> As for Godel, I don't think the philosophical musings he made after about > >> 1955 when his only friend Albert Einstein died are worth much, there is no > >> pleasant way to say this but the poor man went nuts. > > > Only the late years. Gödel was interested in theology since his youth, > > So even when young Godel was a bit nuts, that seems to be an occupational > hazard of great mathematicians. Mathematics is born from theology. “Mathematician” has meant “skeptical on physicalism” for the platonists (using the modern terms to be short). > Godel was one of the greatest mathematicians in the world but he was the only > type of theologian it is possible to be, terrible. ? Bruno > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv26i%3DgZSuF%3DdA1eFzCDWDQNYVqN8WxqADrCQTGqk6iQog%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv26i%3DgZSuF%3DdA1eFzCDWDQNYVqN8WxqADrCQTGqk6iQog%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FDD1AE44-147C-4C1C-9BE3-25A0891B2CEA%40ulb.ac.be.
