On 5/27/2019 11:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:57 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected]
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/> It is odd that the phenomenon of consciousness would be a
"hard" problem, as if other "problems" of nature would be
"easy". We don't know what dark matter and dark energy are./
The question "What is Dark Matter?" is the second most important
question in physics beaten only by "What is Dark Energy?". We
don't know the answer to either one but as least the question is
clear so in that sense they are easy. But nobody even knows what
the "hard" question of consciousness is much less have a answer,
by that I mean nobody even knows the general form an answer would
take that would allow people like Bruno to say it has been solved.
For example, if I discovered a new stable particle that was so
numerous that its mass added up to 5 times the mass of all normal
baryonic matter in the universe then the Dark Matter question
would be answered; and if it can be proven that Einstein's
Cosmological Constant exists and exerts a negative pressure then
the Dark Energy question will be answered. But what would allow
you to say the hard question of consciousness has been answered? I
have no idea because the question has not been stated clearly.
John K Clark
My main point is we don't know what *gravity* is either. Witness all
the physicists today - some say it is "emergent" (not fundamental) and
a dozen other options for /what gravity is/.
We observe both the existence of consciousness (in ourselves) and
phenomenal gravity (in everything, recording how things move) but
there is still a hard problem of gravity. There is no accepted final
theory of gravity. And no "problem" of science (including gravity)
will ever be "solved". That idea is a form of theology. Science just
comes up with theories that might be useful in some way.
On the other hand, the solutions science finds work better than the
solutions provided by every other disciplines...like theology.
Brent
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