On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 7:59:46 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote:
>
> Consciousness is the stage within which all these phenomena are observed. 
> It is a qualitatively different thing, unlike any other thing I can think 
> of.
>
> It's like asking the difference between "Citizen Kane", "Star Wars", 
> "Clockwork Orange" and a cinema screen.
>
> Telmo.
>
>
If you are a real materialist (Strawson's term), then consciousness is a 
property of  (at least) the matter that fills up our skulls. Consciousness 
is 100% material. There is nothing like the brain in complexity around, but 
to say that the brain is in part immaterial is like theology.

What you are presenting  of course is dualism, matter on one hand, 
immaterial consciousness on the other. It's just another form of 
antimaterialism.


   - - Immaterialism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaterialism>, a 
   philosophy branching from George Berkeley of which his idealism is a type
   - - Dualism (philosophy of mind) 
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(philosophy_of_mind)>, a 
   philosophy which includes the claim that mental phenomena are, in some 
   respects, non-physical
   - - Gnosticism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism>, a general 
   class of religious movements which hold that human beings have divine souls 
   trapped in a material world
   - - Idealism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism>, which holds that 
   the ultimate nature of reality is based on mind or ideas
   - - Maya (illusion) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)>, a 
   concept in various Indian religions regarding the dualism of the Universe
   - - Platonic realism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_realism>, 
   which holds that certain universals have a *real* existence, in the 
   sense of philosophical realism
   - - Supernaturalism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernaturalism>
   - - Transcendentalism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism>, 
   a group of ideas involving an ideal spiritual state that 'transcends' the 
   physical and empirical realms


@philipthrift

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