> On 29 May 2019, at 20:39, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 5/29/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> On the other hand, the solutions science finds work better than the >>> solutions provided by every other disciplines...like theology. >> >> Which one? > > Any one.
???????????????????? But science has not found any solution here. Indeed, that is why there is religion, and the proposed solution by the scientist theologian are still hidden, not taught, and not well seen by the clerics and the materialist (the neoplatonist proposed solution). > >> >> The invocation of the existence of physical universe to explain why we see a >> physical universe simply does no more work when we assume the mechanist >> explanation of the cognition. > > Which is a good reason to suspect the mechanist explanation. Ah, because your God is contradicted by a scientific explanation, you reject that explanation. This is exactly like the creationist who says that he is aware that the theory of evolution works well and seems plausible, but should be rejected because it fails to explain the role of God. Why atheists are so “religious” in metaphysics still astonishes me. > >> >> If your criteria os instrumentalist, then science works very well, but >> abandon the fundamental explanation to the charlatan. > > "Fundamental" explanations that cannot make predictions have always been the > domain of the charlatan and the cultist. But physicalism is refuted with mechanism, and is the only theory explains why there is a universe, why it obeys a quantum, non boolean, logics, why its phenomenology is “many-worldly”, and this without eliminating subject and persons. So as long as it is not refuted by an experiment, it is the simplest theory not contradicted by the observations. Physicalism works only by referring to its ontological commitment, with a magical (non computationliast) notion of God. Materialism is like Vitalism. It will be abandoned, soon or later, as a lasting superstition, I think. Bruno > > Brent > >> Better to come back to science, and to stop separating science and religion. >> Science is properly included in religion. A religion which fear science is a >> religion based on lies. Only liars fear the possible truth and the search >> for it. >> >> I guess you mean “theology” in the sense of those who decide to subtract it >> from reason and science, and yes, that idea does not work, for obvious >> reason. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea70a72b-f99c-20f5-0b9f-18f557b07e8c%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea70a72b-f99c-20f5-0b9f-18f557b07e8c%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/98F79F06-E414-4F2C-8D25-EC409213F3A5%40ulb.ac.be.
