> On 16 Jun 2019, at 13:46, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 6:25:57 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Jun 2019, at 20:57, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List >> <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >> >> Panpsychism is just the position adopted by those still afraid to leave >> materialism behind and go to idealism. > > I agree. And it eliminates or trivialises the psychism by identifying it with > everything. It is materialism, structured in a way to prevent *any* theory of > mind. > > Bruno > > > > But I adhere to panpsychic materialism. > > So there. :)
If you assume a material reality at the start, you need to abandon the mechanist hypothesis in cognitive science. Your brain and body need a non computational solution of some differential equation, so that your “substitution level” is made infinitely low. But then, you need to abandon the theory of evolution by Darwin, molecular genetics, and this leads to a form of super determinism, where you and your brain exists only due to infinitely precise initial conditions. This eliminates the possibility of using the Mechanist theory of consciousness, to allow a necessity of some ontological commitment. That looks like making things more complicated, without evidence, just to cherish a conception of reality that you like, and which speculates on evidences not yet obtained. It is logically coherent (unlike those who want both primary matter and Mechanism), but seems *very* speculative to me. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/32f0d579-1a93-4b40-acdd-54f25f97df7a%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/32f0d579-1a93-4b40-acdd-54f25f97df7a%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7D5B8D8E-0D3F-4F2E-BAAD-F597F220CDFE%40ulb.ac.be.
