> On 27 Jul 2019, at 21:44, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 7/27/2019 4:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 26 Jul 2019, at 19:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/26/2019 12:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> And that is necessary with digital mechanism, where to copy any piece of >>>> matter we would need the entire run of the universal dovetailer. Neither >>>> matter nor consciousness are Turing emulable, but they are are “Turing >>>> borrowable” in some sense. >>>> >>>> Bruno >>> And so the duplication of your thought experiment is impossible. >> Why? >> >> Not at all. The whole point of the computationalist assumption is that we >> are duplicated at some substitution level, finitely describable. The >> duplication would be indeed impossible if we need to duplicate the physical >> brain, but with the *digital* hypothesis we don’t need to duplicate the >> matter of the brain, only the relevant functional disposition of its part. >> >> That is the reason why matter is not copiable. We can’t duplicate the >> infinitely many computations below our substitution level. > > Your substitution level for WHAT?
For staying alive relatively to my local neighbourhood. Like we can say “yes” for a heart surgery. > What one is willing to say "yes" to the doctor for? To see the grand grand kids growing, or to be able to see the next soccer cup, things like that. > That might be quite crude, depending on how desperate you circumstances. > But for you metaphysics it needs to be exact. Indeed. Assuming mechanism, there is a level of substitution which is “exact” (even if nobody can be sure), and it is the level of the first person do survive in the usual clinical sense. > "Functional" is ill defined. Nor used. The survive is defined in term of consciousness or first person invariance, which is not something “functional” in any 3p sense. > You want it to mean "Such that consciousness is unaffected”. Yes. > Yet as you often point out, consciousness is cheap and no one would say "yes" > if it only meant consciousness in your sense were preserved. Of course, the right substitution does not conserve only consciousness, but all memories, and all what we need to be happy going pout of the hospital. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/30df8dc7-bbed-8e0e-91a6-1d28ee822014%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0952C6AF-F2D7-4646-84F2-FFB0489CBF1A%40ulb.ac.be.
