On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:46 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *I don't believe in repeats and I haven't seen any proofs that they >>>>>>>> occur, just assertions from the usual suspects. AG * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Imagine a movie in 1280x720 pixels, then the same in 1920x1080 >>>>>>> pixels then in 3840x2160 pixels... always the same but with more and >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> "precision", once you are at the correct substitution level (the level >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> which your consciousness is preserved) then any more precise simulation >>>>>>> thant the ones at the correct level (which exists by assumption and >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> are an infinity of them) does not make any difference, but there are an >>>>>>> infinity of them (at the correct level and below it). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's suppose we correspond possible universes with the positive >>>>>> integers, and also assume there's a property with uncountable outcomes, >>>>>> such as a continuous mass in some range for any particle of your choice. >>>>>> No >>>>>> matter how many countable universes you can imagine, there's no necessity >>>>>> for any repeats of the mass of your particle; hence, no repeats of any >>>>>> universe. AG >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If finite precision of a continuous quantity is used, the outcomes are >>>>> not uncountable. >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Stathis Papaioannou >>>>> >>>> >>>> I specifically used a COUNTABLE model as a possible counter example of >>>> the necessary existence of copies. AG >>>> >>> >>> Do you think the number of mental states a human can possibly have is >>> finite, countably infinite or uncountably infinite? >>> >> >> What I have shown is that it's hypothetically possible to have countable >> universes wherein there are no repeats, no exact copies. AG >> > > It might be imaginable but there being no duplicates of any finite spaces > within an infinite space violates the Bekenstein bound and holographic > principle. > That is simply false. The duplicates could contain no information. The Bekenstein bound applies to black holes, suggesting that if the infinite space has a finite matter density, it will close to form a BH. The holographic principle is a conjecture based on disfavoured string theory. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLRY%3DERbZ_WDDOVaWx8HfJOh5apECpUMhizY1-9ihaa_eQ%40mail.gmail.com.
