On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:34 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:46 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *I don't believe in repeats and I haven't seen any proofs that >>>>>>>>> they occur, just assertions from the usual suspects. AG * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Imagine a movie in 1280x720 pixels, then the same in 1920x1080 >>>>>>>> pixels then in 3840x2160 pixels... always the same but with more and >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> "precision", once you are at the correct substitution level (the level >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> which your consciousness is preserved) then any more precise simulation >>>>>>>> thant the ones at the correct level (which exists by assumption and >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> are an infinity of them) does not make any difference, but there are an >>>>>>>> infinity of them (at the correct level and below it). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's suppose we correspond possible universes with the positive >>>>>>> integers, and also assume there's a property with uncountable outcomes, >>>>>>> such as a continuous mass in some range for any particle of your >>>>>>> choice. No >>>>>>> matter how many countable universes you can imagine, there's no >>>>>>> necessity >>>>>>> for any repeats of the mass of your particle; hence, no repeats of any >>>>>>> universe. AG >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If finite precision of a continuous quantity is used, the outcomes >>>>>> are not uncountable. >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stathis Papaioannou >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I specifically used a COUNTABLE model as a possible counter example of >>>>> the necessary existence of copies. AG >>>>> >>>> >>>> Do you think the number of mental states a human can possibly have is >>>> finite, countably infinite or uncountably infinite? >>>> >>> >>> What I have shown is that it's hypothetically possible to have countable >>> universes wherein there are no repeats, no exact copies. AG >>> >> >> It might be imaginable but there being no duplicates of any finite spaces >> within an infinite space violates the Bekenstein bound and holographic >> principle. >> > > That is simply false. The duplicates could contain no information. The > Bekenstein bound applies to black holes, suggesting that if the infinite > space has a finite matter density, it will close to form a BH. The > holographic principle is a conjecture based on disfavoured string theory. > Both places absolute finite limits on the information content of a finite volume containing finite energy. Is this no longer a favored theory in physics? If a finite region does contain finite information, then in an infinite (homogeneous) space, that same finite pattern will reappear infinitely. This is a consequence also of eternal inflation, and Guth used almost identical language saying everything that can happen happens an infinite number of times. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg4-KC4OW-GRKj66ysXpRS7UufBmeeKbMLMD%3D45Pxeeqg%40mail.gmail.com.
