> On 8 Dec 2019, at 22:55, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:30 AM Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be > <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > >>> when you listen to each of them, you realise that they know perfectly > who they are. > > >> Yes, one knows he is the Washington Man and one knows he is the Moscow Man. > > > Sure, but the key point here is that both known that could not have predict > > which one they are seeing NOW, before the duplication occurred > > Before the duplication there was only ONE, so either answer the following or > admit there are "questions" so brain dead dumb that even a question mark > lacks the power to transform it from gibberish into an inquiry: > > Yesterday before the duplication when there was only ONE, which ONE of the > ONE ended up seeing what ONE of them is seeing NOW?
We are in the semi-duplication context, so your question is badly formulated or ambiguous. But things are very simple. Yesterday, a computationalist has put on the annihilation copy button. He predicted that he will feel to be in only once city, but that he was incapable of saying with certainty which one in particular. And today, BOTH are happy that their experience confirms the prediction that both remember having written in their personal diary. That would not have been the case with a prediction like “I will feel to be in Washington”, or like “I will feel to be simultaneously in both city”, for example. By definition of the correct first person prediction, all copies have to confirm it in the finite self-multiplication case, and all copies except for a set of measure zero have to confirm it in the infinite self-multiplication case. > > Upon the above chaotic word salad with the question mark at the end you have > built your entire philosophy, with such silly foundations it's little wonder > that you can build up to the ethereal heights and reach all sorts of silly > conclusions; like ASCII characters in books having the power to prove that > ASCII characters can make calculations all on their own. > > > yesterday, the man in H could not have guessed that he would, here and now, > > be the one seeing W. > > The day before yesterday the man in H could not only guess but could KNOW > with absolute certainty that on the next day the W Man would be the one > seeing W, That describes the protocol that we already knew, and does not adress the question of the prediction of the first person experience, which is never an experience of living the two outcomes simultaneously. Everett exploits this in the quantum context, and I just show that we have to exploit this in the “amoeba context”. Bruno > and he could be absolutely certain because he knew that whatever their faults > may be it remains a fact that tautologies are ALWAYS true. And if logic > isn't enough there is experimental evidence too, today looking back on the > events of yesterday we can see that the prediction made the day before > yesterday turned out to be, of course, absolutely positively 100% correct. > > > You are the only one I ever met having a problem with this > > Wow, you need to get out of your rut and meet some smarter people. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3RHTdsgzamS%2BMCzqE%3DHDY9XcrsRYzWtnKWnBeviu-60A%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3RHTdsgzamS%2BMCzqE%3DHDY9XcrsRYzWtnKWnBeviu-60A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/868CD005-2723-4E91-86BE-2D9BE4FCAAFF%40ulb.ac.be.
