Le mar. 17 déc. 2019 à 12:55, John Clark <[email protected]> a écrit :
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 10:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' < > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> *> Expecting what you will experience after pushing the button must refer >> to thoughts before the button is pushed, so "you" must refer to the >> Helsinki man. * > > > OK, but the very definition of "The Helsinki Man" is the man who is > experiencing Helsinki right now today. Or at least that's the definition on > Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays, but on other days of the week the > definition is the man who REMEMBERS experiencing Helsinki today, and on > those days the Helsinki Man would be a fool to expect that the Helsinki Man > would experience one and only one thing tomorrow. > > >> * > And the answer is not "Nothing" because the Helsinki man exists >> before the button is pushed. "Expecting" is having a thought about the >> future. * >> > > Right, and John Clark expects that tomorrow nobody will be experiencing > Helsinki today. It may seem like John Clark is being overly pedantic but > Brent Meeker needs to be that way too if the conversation is about the > nature of personal identity and personal identity duplicating machines are > involved. > > But all this confusion could be totally avoided if people on this list > would simply STOP USING PERSONAL PRONOUNS and replace them with their > proper noun referent; they don't need to do this all the time, only when > personal pronoun duplicating machines are thrown into the hypothetical mix. > The very fact that nobody, absolutely positively nobody on this list except > for John Clark is able to stop themselves from continuing to use them is > clear indication to John Clark that they cannot because personal pronouns > are being used to cover up multiple holes in the logical structure of their > argument. > > John K Clark > John Clark is not human and not conscious, as he is unable to ask expectation questions about the next moment of his own live without proper pronouns... Personnally I can, I have my little voice in my head, and It's thinking it will hit send button in the next few seconds... maybe I'll be duplicated in the process... still I expect to see this computer screen after hitting send.. who knows, I'll be wrong, maybe I'll see the giant spaghetti or vanish from existence. Quentin > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2YggbGdK-YDhae_Y2BYsaf%2BzJ%3Dkw4eJxm%2Bw9pUTEsJUQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2YggbGdK-YDhae_Y2BYsaf%2BzJ%3Dkw4eJxm%2Bw9pUTEsJUQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAqcMAYPyUkxktGZ0Q1gPOxSjPJCMwYz2oNO5fQFTeZADw%40mail.gmail.com.
