On 12/16/2019 10:15 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:01 PM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Le mar. 17 déc. 2019 à 04:54, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything
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On 12/16/2019 6:31 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:29 PM Quentin Anciaux
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
/> You're so absurd after so many years... Just put
your shoes in the experiment,/
Who's shoes should I put my feet into, the H Man's the W
Man's, or the M Man's?
>///imagine you in front of the button, /
OK
> /what do you expect after pushing it.. /
If "you" means the W Man I expect to be experiencing W.
Expecting what you will experience after pushing the
button must refer to thoughts before the button is pushed,
so "you" must refer to the Helsinki man. And the answer
is not "Nothing" because the Helsinki man exists before
the button is pushed. "Expecting" is having a thought
about the future. So the question is clear enough.
But Quentin did say "expect AFTER pushing it". Not BEFORE
pushing it. So after pushing the button, H-man is duplicated
to both W and M: So the W copy expects Washington, and the M
copy expects Moscow.
No I mean is in front of the button ready to be pushing it, what
does he expect will happen, what does he expect he will see the
next moment after pushingit, the question is asked by the Helsinki
man to himself... Wilk he vanish from existence ? Will he see m or
w ? Will he see m and w ? The question is clear, has been for more
than twenty years now, only bad faith has make it go through 2019
again... And will through 2029.
H-man will not see anything after pushing the button -- according to
the protocol he will be eliminated. He can have no particular
expectations for what his subsequent experiences will be because the
probabilities of future experiences are not well defined. The only
rational account is that since he is eliminated, two new persons are
created, one seeing M and one seeing W. These are new persons -- maybe
sharing some memories with H-man, but neither can claim uniquely to BE
H-man.
But each can claim to be H-man. And each could report what the H-man
was thinking just before he pushed the button. I don't know what JKC
thinks he's proving by pretending this question can't be answered.
Brent
Bruce
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