On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:01 PM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
> Le mar. 17 déc. 2019 à 04:54, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 12/16/2019 6:31 PM, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:29 PM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> *> You're so absurd after so many years... Just put your shoes in the >>>> experiment,* >>>> >>> >>> Who's shoes should I put my feet into, the H Man's the W Man's, or the M >>> Man's? >>> >>> > *imagine you in front of the button, * >>>> >>> >>> OK >>> >>> >>>> > *what do you expect after pushing it.. * >>>> >>> >>> If "you" means the W Man I expect to be experiencing W. >>> >>> >>> Expecting what you will experience after pushing the button must refer >>> to thoughts before the button is pushed, so "you" must refer to the >>> Helsinki man. And the answer is not "Nothing" because the Helsinki man >>> exists before the button is pushed. "Expecting" is having a thought about >>> the future. So the question is clear enough. >>> >> >> But Quentin did say "expect AFTER pushing it". Not BEFORE pushing it. So >> after pushing the button, H-man is duplicated to both W and M: So the W >> copy expects Washington, and the M copy expects Moscow. >> > > No I mean is in front of the button ready to be pushing it, what does he > expect will happen, what does he expect he will see the next moment after > pushingit, the question is asked by the Helsinki man to himself... Wilk he > vanish from existence ? Will he see m or w ? Will he see m and w ? The > question is clear, has been for more than twenty years now, only bad faith > has make it go through 2019 again... And will through 2029. > H-man will not see anything after pushing the button -- according to the protocol he will be eliminated. He can have no particular expectations for what his subsequent experiences will be because the probabilities of future experiences are not well defined. The only rational account is that since he is eliminated, two new persons are created, one seeing M and one seeing W. These are new persons -- maybe sharing some memories with H-man, but neither can claim uniquely to BE H-man. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQ%2B%3DM7z5Dhoyxsyms0DjCkkx0vfkgx7CKko6646yiymuw%40mail.gmail.com.
