> On 17 Dec 2019, at 07:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 12/16/2019 10:15 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:01 PM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Le mar. 17 déc. 2019 à 04:54, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> On 12/16/2019 6:31 PM, John Clark wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:29 PM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> > You're so absurd after so many years... Just put your shoes in the >>> > experiment, >>> >>> Who's shoes should I put my feet into, the H Man's the W Man's, or the M >>> Man's? >>> >>> > imagine you in front of the button, >>> >>> OK >>> >>> > what do you expect after pushing it.. >>> >>> If "you" means the W Man I expect to be experiencing W. >> >> Expecting what you will experience after pushing the button must refer to >> thoughts before the button is pushed, so "you" must refer to the Helsinki >> man. And the answer is not "Nothing" because the Helsinki man exists before >> the button is pushed. "Expecting" is having a thought about the future. So >> the question is clear enough. >> >> But Quentin did say "expect AFTER pushing it". Not BEFORE pushing it. So >> after pushing the button, H-man is duplicated to both W and M: So the W copy >> expects Washington, and the M copy expects Moscow. >> >> No I mean is in front of the button ready to be pushing it, what does he >> expect will happen, what does he expect he will see the next moment after >> pushingit, the question is asked by the Helsinki man to himself... Wilk he >> vanish from existence ? Will he see m or w ? Will he see m and w ? The >> question is clear, has been for more than twenty years now, only bad faith >> has make it go through 2019 again... And will through 2029. >> >> H-man will not see anything after pushing the button -- according to the >> protocol he will be eliminated. He can have no particular expectations for >> what his subsequent experiences will be because the probabilities of future >> experiences are not well defined. The only rational account is that since he >> is eliminated, two new persons are created, one seeing M and one seeing W. >> These are new persons -- maybe sharing some memories with H-man, but neither >> can claim uniquely to BE H-man. > > But each can claim to be H-man.
Given the protocol, and the fact that we assume Digital Mechanism. Each copies are the H-guy. But oc course, not in a connected unique first person experience. The 3p description is symmetrical, but the 1p description get asymmetrical after pushing the button. > And each could report what the H-man was thinking just before he pushed the > button. I don't know what JKC thinks he's proving by pretending this > question can't be answered. It is just bad faith. A bit like Barr, McConnell and other members of the GOP. If you are listening to the Trump impeachment hearings, you can see how far bad faith can develop. It is a mystery for me how a universal machine can ever behave that way. Bruno > > Brent > >> >> Bruce >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQ%2B%3DM7z5Dhoyxsyms0DjCkkx0vfkgx7CKko6646yiymuw%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQ%2B%3DM7z5Dhoyxsyms0DjCkkx0vfkgx7CKko6646yiymuw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3d8263bd-ab22-fc29-278f-2bf1a82f84ef%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3d8263bd-ab22-fc29-278f-2bf1a82f84ef%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/430B4AC6-3E57-42A8-ACCA-9655246C28B8%40ulb.ac.be.
