> On 18 Dec 2019, at 23:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 12/18/2019 7:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> and on those days the Helsinki Man would be a fool to expect that the >>> Helsinki Man would experience one and only one thing tomorrow. >> >> >> Yet, he can predict, when still in Helsinki (as always since day one), that >> he will feel to live being in only one city. > > That's where you introduce amibiguities. "he...when still in Helsinki", i.e. > H-man can predict many things. H-man might predict he will feel being in > both cites.
That the correct 3p prediction (it follows directly from the protocol + the mechanist assumption). But the question is about the prediction of his future 1p-experience. Here the guy can assert that he (in Helsinki) can predict with certainty that he will feel to be in only one place, but he cannot, for obvious reason, write dow which one in his diary. > Whether that will be borne out depends on how consciousness works and what > "he" refers to in "he will feel”. Keep in mind that we assume Mechanism. So we know that in both cities, both individuals have the whole memory of the H-Guy, + the experience of seeing one city. > If it he=whom ever remembers being H-man I think that it is likely true > that he will feel being in both cities. If he=either M-man or W-man, then he > will either experience M or experience W. > >> Both copies confirms that fact. If he was just asked “do you predict that >> you will feel to be in W and in M, or do you predict that you will feel to >> be in M or in M, but not in both at once”, the obvious correct (with resect >> to mechanism) is the first one. > > That's far from obvious to me. But do you agree that it follows from Mechanism? > It's possible, but the second answer, "...you predict that you will feel to > be in M or in M, but not in both at once." seems more likely. It is obligatory, if the question is well understood as being about the future experience lived, and not on a description where such experience can be said to be lived from an outsider point of view. I think we agree. Bruno > > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7f6bdac7-648f-cdba-00f2-9cc08102582c%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7f6bdac7-648f-cdba-00f2-9cc08102582c%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/A333354E-D5A6-4F61-80CF-5BF9C9D29E60%40ulb.ac.be.
