> On 31 Dec 2019, at 20:29, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > My only reply Bruno, is using information in biologicals like ourselves (what > else is there?) and the practices of computer science going back decades. > Unix forking is a means of protecting information, as well as checksum. The > universe may not work this way at all with information, but I guess it might.
Hmm… not really if we assume Mechanism. It behave classicaly above the substitution level, and (quantum) statistically below it. We are multiplied by everything our mind does not depend on. > If one produces a continuer with virtually the same info as the original, and > we would need to discuss this intensely, on what constitutes a genuine Bob or > Alice? We have seen people on this forum, reject the continuer or simulation, > as axiomatically wrong, rather than consider this, which for me indicates > that I am dealing with the part of the brain called the amygdala, and not the > part of the brain that deals with math. If the original species, turns into > smoke, and there are two nearly identical copies in Moscow or Bruges, let > them fight over the inheritance. Have a jolly New Year. Better to settle this with oneself before the duplication! Happy New Year! Best wishes for the Australians who live the biggest fire ever. Hope it will rain! Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 9:58 am > Subject: Re: Superdeterminism in comics > > >> On 30 Dec 2019, at 19:26, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> For whatever stupid reason, I tended to agree with the late US philosopher, >> Nozick, on whomever lands in DC or Moscow, or yeah, and afterlife, it's the >> closest continuer. Is it disputable, sure go ahead. But as we say in the US, >> 'close enough for government work!' It's how much accurate data the copy or >> clone contains? Thus, I am willing to consider the clone (screw the >> no-cloning theorem), the "soul" because the dude is alive in MOCKBA drinking >> piva (beer) while the DC version is smoked. In Helsinki? Again, The >> difference between a rock and a rabbit, is the information it contains-that >> was from Claude Shannon. > > > The only problem I see here is that if the difference is only in the > information, the closer continuer cannot make the difference, as it is the > same information sent to Moscow and to Washington. > > Nozick's Closest Continuer theory does not make sense once we assume > Mechanism, which is indeed based on the idea that a brain is nothing more > than an information treatment machine. > > I don’t claim Mechanism is true. I claim only that it is incompatible with > Nozick theory. > > OK? Does everyone see this? > > Bruno > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: everything-list <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2019 10:54 am >> Subject: Re: Superdeterminism in comics >> >> >> > On 28 Dec 2019, at 06:47, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 12/20/2019 4:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> But the question is about the prediction of his future 1p-experience. >> >> Here the guy can assert that he (in Helsinki) can predict with certainty >> >> that he will feel to be in only one place, but he cannot, for obvious >> >> reason, write dow which one in his diary. >> > >> > How can he be certain of that? Maybe he will experience both places. >> > Would it make any difference if he predicted that? >> >> If the Helsinki guy predicts that he will experience both places 5washington >> and Moscow), and that indeed both copies claim and show that indeed they are >> in both place, that would entail a form of telepathy which is logically >> impossible with (Indexical Digital) Mechanism. >> I think that both Moscow and Washington will be interested as this will give >> a new efficacious way of spying! >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> > >> > Brent >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > <mailto:[email protected].> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/83d74b4e-1486-d532-4ed2-e212495ce7ef%40verizon.net >> > >> > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/83d74b4e-1486-d532-4ed2-e212495ce7ef%40verizon.net>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> <mailto:[email protected].> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/A8E7E518-9F03-4A58-ADAC-128F90B1D2B4%40ulb.ac.be >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/A8E7E518-9F03-4A58-ADAC-128F90B1D2B4%40ulb.ac.be>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1440948674.5866408.1577730416402%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1440948674.5866408.1577730416402%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/D62E215D-ABE4-4AA8-9B47-1BE152A79DBB%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/D62E215D-ABE4-4AA8-9B47-1BE152A79DBB%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1072772705.6347924.1577820584847%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1072772705.6347924.1577820584847%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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