On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 5:32:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/20/2020 3:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 2:59:30 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le lun. 20 janv. 2020 à 22:56, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 2:00:36 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/20/2020 5:10 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>> >>>> I explained it several times. There's a singularity implied if it had a >>>> start AND was infinite. If it's infinite, it never had a beginning or >>>> start. AG >>>> >>>> >>>> Why isn't a singularity implied if it had a start and was *finite*? >>>> That was exactly the standard argument for a supernatural >>>> beginning...something (finite) from nothing was a violation of nature and >>>> reason. You seem to be stuck in Aristotelian philosophy. >>>> >>> >>> >>> It's not something from nothing. Nothing to do with Aristotle. It's >>> something from the Multiverse! >>> >> >> >> What multiverse ? >> >> If time starts at the big bang what does it means it's from the >> multiverse... Is the multiverse a singularity ? Why not ? >> > > You can think of it as a fruit from a fruit tree, something growing from a > substrate. If the fruit had a beginning, it must be finite in size. Time > for our universe starts at the BB, IF our universe had a beginning. A > singularity in this context is a physical process taking zero time which > results in an infinite spatial extent. This can't happen IF our universe > had a beginning since inflation and expansion occur at finite rates for > finite times. The Multiverse never began, so whatever infinities it has, if > any, didn't occur in finite time. AG > > > What justifies your rejecting one kind of infinity (expansion) while > accepting other infinities (extent)? >
Expansion by itself can never result in any infinity because the rate is always finite, and the duration is finite, 13.8 BY. Can you not understand this? What other infinities? I do assume the Multiverse is infinite in all parameters, but acknowledge that we have no knowledge of what it is. Maybe our categories of space and time don't apply to it. AG You just ramble about your intuition as though it were mathematical logic. > Not mathematical logic, just logic. AG > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/bf7cd36d-249e-42fb-9def-8a1478e08b79%40googlegroups.com.
