On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:52 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:07, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:41 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 17 Feb 2020, at 22:50, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Again, you use the 3p view to refute a 1p perception. And that is invalid. >> >> >> I do not refute the 1p perception, only the theory some person can build, >> and which is wrong for almost all copies. Keep in mind that the question is >> about a future first person experience, not on anything communicable in a >> 3p manner. >> > > I agree. So there is no-one with access to all personal diaries for > comparative purposes -- there is no correct probability, and no-one is > wrong (from the 1p view). > > > > OK. But as you say above this required assuming that the brain, or > something in the brain is not Tutrin emulable, and so you need to reject > Mechanism, > Of course I reject Mechanism -- it is a failed theory that has not led to any scientific advances. > but then you have to reject Darwinism, and many theories which impliy > Mechanism. Non Mechanism is sometimes sum up by “belief in magic”. Diderot > defined Rationalism by Descarte’s Mechanism. > You really do over-reach yourself here, Bruno. > So my question was really: Assuming Mechanism, do you see that it leads to > a first person indeterminacy, and a first person plural indeterminacy, > inside population of machines, in the case where we duplicate those > (entire) population? > Since I do not assume Mechanism, and have no intention of ever entering the pretend world where Mechanism is assumed, I have no answer to your question: except that the world is not deterministic -- stochastic process are central. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQQXSqSj10T4ysVLowJ5q5sRfw46eU3sunb5VohPP4UTg%40mail.gmail.com.
