On 04-05-2020 06:05, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote:
On 5/3/2020 8:14 PM, smitra wrote:
On 03-05-2020 23:09, Philip Thrift wrote:
The SSH
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/2/247
still lies in the "information turn" that plays in physics today.(IT
FROM QUBIT, etc.) - a rejection pf materialism in favor of idealism.
It is more interesting to me to stick to the vocabulary of
materialist* physics - particles, fields, interactions, forces - but
to approach CONSCIOUSNESS AS PURELY MATERIAL - adding a new
force/interaction/particle/field as needed (like a sixth
force/field).
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Field_theories_of_consciousness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_theories_of_consciousness
etc.
* or physicalist
@philipthrift
Physicalism is a dead end. The hard problem of consciousness and other
philosophical problems can be considered to be no-go theorems against
physicalism. Abandoning physicalism solves all these problems in one
fell swoop.
Really? What are 'all these problems that are solved'? Does it
explain why a blow to the head renders you unconscious? Does it
explain how anesthesia works? Does it explain epilepsy? Synasthesia?
Drunkeness? Does it explain the evocation of memories by
electrostimulation of the brain? Dementia? Childhood amnesia?
Or is it just smug mysticism that physics hasn't explained X, so by
rejecting physics I'm entitled to any explanation I want about X.
Brent
Physics has left these issues well behind. Finding evidence for
supersymmetry, the nature of dark matter, evidence for proton decay will
not shed much light on what the subjective experience of experiencing
pain exactly is. This strongly suggests that physics as applied to
everyday phenomena is (almost) exactly correct from a mathematical point
of view, but that there is an issue with the explanation of the
phenomena. One then cannot test any alternative explanation as this will
have to reduce to the same mathematical theory when used to predict the
outcome of experiments.
I.m.o., the best place to start is by taking physics itself seriously
and not throw parts of it away on the grounds that FAPP certain things
at the macro-level work like certain classical models and that therefore
a, say, human being is exactly what these effective laws describe.
Saibal
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