Hi Lawrence,

Am So, 11. Okt 2020, um 14:21, schrieb Lawrence Crowell:
> On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 8:06:10 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> via 
>> Everything List wrote:
>> 
>>>> >> [Me] Nations? People? You're showing a remarkable lack of imagination 
>>>> >> and making a lot of unwarranted assumptions. A 100 years from now 
>>>> >> (maybe less than 50) nation states will certainly no longer exist and 
>>>> >> even something that you are I would recognize as a biological human 
>>>> >> being probably won't. 
>>> 
>>> > The only way I see that is if we snuff ourselves out, which is possible.
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm not talking about humans snuffing themselves out although I admit that's 
>> possible, I'm talking about humans replacing parts of themselves until there 
>> is no longer anything very human about them. Some signals in the brain move 
>> as slowly as .01 meters per second, the slow diffusion of hormones for 
>> example, but even the very fastest signals in the brain move at only 100 
>> meters per second and light moves at 300,000,000 meters per second; and in a 
>> computer made with Nanotechnology the distances the signal must travel will 
>> be far shorter because the components will be much smaller. And that's 
>> without even considering Quantum Computers. There is just no way biology can 
>> compete with that.
>> 
>> 
>>> > Nation states will otherwise  probably exist,
>> 
>> Their life expectancy depends on the evolution of Memes not the evolution of 
>> genes as in Darwinian evolution, but Memes evolve astronomically faster than 
>> genes.
>>  
>>> > Human also will exist,
>> 
>> Information processing Turing Machines that remember once being human will 
>> still exist a century from now, but if you or I were to see one we wouldn't 
>> say they looked or acted like a human.
>> 
>>  John K Clark
> 
> I have serious doubts about a lot of these hyper-tech ideas that border on 
> science fiction. I really question ideas of minds being downloaded into 
> cybers, or the matryoshka ideas and so forth. These ideas sort of give me a 
> sense of why there were so many of those 1950 science fiction and horror 
> films about mad doctors or scientists hell bent on bizarre quests. I think 
> for the average person these sorts of ideas probably sound little different. 
> One has to remember that while we can pursue a better understanding of the 
> universe, few people want their humanity taken away or to become robots.

In your understanding of reality, what is the difference between a human and a 
robot*?

Cheers,
Telmo

* Let us assume sci-fi level stuff here

> For some practical reasons I also think there are limits on these things.
> 
> LC  
> 

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