On 10/12/2020 5:15 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:46:45 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote:
On 10/12/2020 2:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
Human minds can ask questions, computers outside of
pre-programmed prompts do not.
Untrue. It's quite easy to program a computer to ask questions
based on inputs from the environment. You cel phone will ask you,
"Do you want to answer this call? It looks like spam." and it
makes that judgement "It looks like spam." based on the source,
content, and past experience.
You did not understand what I said.
I understood it perfectly. You seem to be saying there's some
extra-physical magic that your brain does that the computer can't.
Sure a computer can "ask a question," but it is just an audio-file
executed when some "oracle condition" occurs. It is not as if the
machine actually is thinking a question.
How do you know your questions are not just neural networks being
executed? Is it because you add on an inner narrative making a
memory/record of having asked a question...no problem, the computer can
do that too. Do you suppose that a person can think things a Turing
machine can't; that thinking is something more than information processing?
A computer can compute tens of thousands of zeros to the Riemann
zeta function, a human mind seeks a proof of the conjecture.
There a automatic proof programs too.
Brent
But, we wrote the program, not the computer
So what. Evolution and education wrote your program.
Brent
LC
LC
On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:03:48 AM UTC-5
[email protected] wrote:
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:15 AM Lawrence Crowell
<[email protected]> wrote:
/> I would say in general with a machine you can see the
seems, bolts and rivets while a biological system you don't./
A trivial difference, one has cartilage the other has bolts
and rivets.
/> You can turn off a machine, but a biological system
does not turn back on./
So an artificial machine can do something that a natural
biological machine can not, and that will be far from the
only advantage they have.
/> Biological systems are spontaneous and will act
accordingly./
I don't know what you mean by that. All machines, both
natural and artificial, either do things for a reason and
thus are deterministic or they do things for no reason and
thus are random. Natural or artificial it makes no
difference, they're either cuckoo clocks or roulette wheels.
> /A computer with no input just sits there./
A computer with no inputs can still calculate the digits of
PI, and so can a human who can't see, hear, feel, smell, or
taste. Although the human would perform the calculation much
much slower and be more error-prone.
/> While there are clearly Turning machine or
Church-Turing aspects of how brains or neural systems
work, there are also huge departures./
Huge departures? I can't even think of any tiny departures
and neither can anybody else, nobody has ever found a problem
that a human can solve that a Turing Machine couldn't.
John K Clark
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