On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:46:45 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > > > On 10/12/2020 2:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > Human minds can ask questions, computers outside of pre-programmed prompts > do not. > > > Untrue. It's quite easy to program a computer to ask questions based on > inputs from the environment. You cel phone will ask you, "Do you want to > answer this call? It looks like spam." and it makes that judgement "It > looks like spam." based on the source, content, and past experience. > > You did not understand what I said. Sure a computer can "ask a question," but it is just an audio-file executed when some "oracle condition" occurs. It is not as if the machine actually is thinking a question.
> > A computer can compute tens of thousands of zeros to the Riemann zeta > function, a human mind seeks a proof of the conjecture. > > > There a automatic proof programs too. > > Brent > > But, we wrote the program, not the computer LC > > LC > > On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:03:48 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:15 AM Lawrence Crowell < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> *> I would say in general with a machine you can see the seems, bolts and >>> rivets while a biological system you don't.* >> >> >> A trivial difference, one has cartilage the other has bolts and rivets. >> >> >>> * > You can turn off a machine, but a biological system does not turn >>> back on.* >> >> >> So an artificial machine can do something that a natural biological >> machine can not, and that will be far from the only advantage they have. >> >> >>> *> Biological systems are spontaneous and will act accordingly.* >> >> >> I don't know what you mean by that. All machines, both natural and >> artificial, either do things for a reason and thus are deterministic or >> they do things for no reason and thus are random. Natural or artificial it >> makes no difference, they're either cuckoo clocks or roulette wheels. >> >> >> >>> > *A computer with no input just sits there.* >> >> >> A computer with no inputs can still calculate the digits of PI, and so >> can a human who can't see, hear, feel, smell, or taste. Although the human >> would perform the calculation much much slower and be more error-prone. >> >> >>> *> While there are clearly Turning machine or Church-Turing aspects of >>> how brains or neural systems work, there are also huge departures.* >> >> >> Huge departures? I can't even think of any tiny departures and neither >> can anybody else, nobody has ever found a problem that a human can solve >> that a Turing Machine couldn't. >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2f15a4a6-b2d4-49d6-be45-75636925db8an%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2f15a4a6-b2d4-49d6-be45-75636925db8an%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/93c5c5ce-6b8f-4b41-9096-91b1cb3002a5n%40googlegroups.com.
