Human minds can ask questions, computers outside of pre-programmed prompts 
do not. A computer can compute tens of thousands of zeros to the Riemann 
zeta function, a human mind seeks a proof of the conjecture. 

LC

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:03:48 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:15 AM Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
> *> I would say in general with a machine you can see the seems, bolts and 
>> rivets while a biological system you don't.*
>
>
> A trivial difference, one has cartilage the other has bolts and rivets.  
>  
>
>> * > You can turn off a machine, but a biological system does not turn 
>> back on.*
>
>
> So an artificial machine can do something that a natural biological 
> machine can not, and that will be far from the only advantage they have. 
>  
>
>> *> Biological systems are spontaneous and will act accordingly.*
>
>
> I don't know what you mean by that. All machines, both natural and 
> artificial, either do things for a reason and thus are deterministic or 
> they do things for no reason and thus are random. Natural or artificial it 
> makes no difference, they're either cuckoo clocks or roulette wheels.  
>
>  
>
>> > *A computer with no input just sits there.*
>
>
> A computer with no inputs can still calculate the digits of PI, and so can 
> a human who can't see, hear, feel, smell, or taste. Although the human 
> would perform the calculation much much slower and be more error-prone.
>  
>
>> *> While there are clearly Turning machine or Church-Turing aspects of 
>> how brains or neural systems work, there are also huge departures.*
>
>
> Huge departures? I can't even think of any tiny departures and neither can 
> anybody else, nobody has ever found a problem that a human can solve that a 
> Turing Machine couldn't.  
>
> John K Clark
>
>
>

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