I would say in general with a machine you can see the seems, bolts and rivets while a biological system you don't. You can turn off a machine, but a biological system does not turn back on. Biological systems are spontaneous and will act accordingly. A computer with no input just sits there. While there are clearly Turning machine or Church-Turing aspects of how brains or neural systems work, there are also huge departures.
LC On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 9:42:03 AM UTC-5 telmo wrote: > Hi Lawrence, > > Am So, 11. Okt 2020, um 14:21, schrieb Lawrence Crowell: > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 8:06:10 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> via > Everything List wrote: > > >> [Me] Nations? People? You're showing a remarkable lack of imagination > and making a lot of unwarranted assumptions. A 100 years from now (maybe > less than 50) nation states will certainly no longer exist and even > something that you are I would recognize as a biological human being > probably won't. > > > > The only way I see that is if we snuff ourselves out, which is possible. > > > > I'm not talking about humans snuffing themselves out although I admit > that's possible, I'm talking about humans replacing parts of themselves > until there is no longer anything very human about them. Some signals in > the brain move as slowly as .01 meters per second, the slow diffusion of > hormones for example, but even the very fastest signals in the brain move > at only 100 meters per second and light moves at 300,000,000 meters per > second; and in a computer made with Nanotechnology the distances the signal > must travel will be far shorter because the components will be much > smaller. And that's without even considering Quantum Computers. There is > just no way biology can compete with that. > > > > Nation states will otherwise probably exist, > > > Their life expectancy depends on the evolution of Memes not the evolution > of genes as in Darwinian evolution, but Memes evolve astronomically > faster than genes. > > > > Human also will exist, > > > Information processing Turing Machines that remember once being human > will still exist a century from now, but if you or I were to see one we > wouldn't say they looked or acted like a human. > > John K Clark > > > I have serious doubts about a lot of these hyper-tech ideas that border on > science fiction. I really question ideas of minds being downloaded into > cybers, or the matryoshka ideas and so forth. These ideas sort of give me a > sense of why there were so many of those 1950 science fiction and horror > films about mad doctors or scientists hell bent on bizarre quests. I think > for the average person these sorts of ideas probably sound little > different. One has to remember that while we can pursue a better > understanding of the universe, few people want their humanity taken away or > to become robots. > > > In your understanding of reality, what is the difference between a human > and a robot*? > > Cheers, > Telmo > > * Let us assume sci-fi level stuff here > > For some practical reasons I also think there are limits on these things. > > LC > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/686d191f-8d20-40ac-b583-6523b326fd5bn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/686d191f-8d20-40ac-b583-6523b326fd5bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2420f2a1-aa82-4eb2-b143-76175bef8a3fn%40googlegroups.com.
