I would say in general with a machine you can see the seems, bolts and rivets while a biological system you don't. You can turn off a machine, but a biological system does not turn back on. Biological systems are spontaneous and will act accordingly. A computer with no input just sits there. While there are clearly Turning machine or Church-Turing aspects of how brains or neural systems work, there are also huge departures.
LC On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 9:42:03 AM UTC-5 telmo wrote: > Hi Lawrence, > > Am So, 11. Okt 2020, um 14:21, schrieb Lawrence Crowell: > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 8:06:10 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> via > Everything List wrote: > > >> [Me] Nations? People? You're showing a remarkable lack of imagination > and making a lot of unwarranted assumptions. A 100 years from now (maybe > less than 50) nation states will certainly no longer exist and even > something that you are I would recognize as a biological human being > probably won't. > > > > The only way I see that is if we snuff ourselves out, which is possible. > > > > I'm not talking about humans snuffing themselves out although I admit > that's possible, I'm talking about humans replacing parts of themselves > until there is no longer anything very human about them. Some signals in > the brain move as slowly as .01 meters per second, the slow diffusion of > hormones for example, but even the very fastest signals in the brain move > at only 100 meters per second and light moves at 300,000,000 meters per > second; and in a computer made with Nanotechnology the distances the signal > must travel will be far shorter because the components will be much > smaller. And that's without even considering Quantum Computers. There is > just no way biology can compete with that. > > > > Nation states will otherwise probably exist, > > > Their life expectancy depends on the evolution of Memes not the evolution > of genes as in Darwinian evolution, but Memes evolve astronomically > faster than genes. > > > > Human also will exist, > > > Information processing Turing Machines that remember once being human > will still exist a century from now, but if you or I were to see one we > wouldn't say they looked or acted like a human. > > John K Clark > > > I have serious doubts about a lot of these hyper-tech ideas that border on > science fiction. I really question ideas of minds being downloaded into > cybers, or the matryoshka ideas and so forth. These ideas sort of give me a > sense of why there were so many of those 1950 science fiction and horror > films about mad doctors or scientists hell bent on bizarre quests. I think > for the average person these sorts of ideas probably sound little > different. One has to remember that while we can pursue a better > understanding of the universe, few people want their humanity taken away or > to become robots. > > > In your understanding of reality, what is the difference between a human > and a robot*? > > Cheers, > Telmo > > * Let us assume sci-fi level stuff here > > For some practical reasons I also think there are limits on these things. > > LC > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/686d191f-8d20-40ac-b583-6523b326fd5bn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/686d191f-8d20-40ac-b583-6523b326fd5bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2420f2a1-aa82-4eb2-b143-76175bef8a3fn%40googlegroups.com.
