On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 6:03 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 8:58 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 5:34 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:08 AM Tomas Pales <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 2:29:38 PM UTC+2 Bruce wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The problem with that is that it is dependent on the language in which >>>>> you express things. The string 'amcjdhapihrib;f' is quite comples. But I >>>>> can define Z = amcjdhapihrib;f', and Z is algorithmically much simpler. >>>>> Kolmogorov complexity is a useful concept only if you compare things in >>>>> the >>>>> same language. And there is no unique language in which to describe >>>>> nature. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Complexity is a property of structure, so if we want to explore >>>> complexity of real-world objects indirectly, that is, in representations of >>>> the real-world objects rather than in the real-world objects themselves, we >>>> must make sure that the representations preserve the structure and thus the >>>> complexity of the real-world objects. >>>> >>> >>> >>> That's known as begging the question. >>> >>> >>> >>>> So there must be some systematic, isomorphic mapping between the >>>> real-world objects and their representations - a common language for >>>> describing (representing) the real world objects. It seems that one such >>>> language could be binary strings of 0s and 1s, at least this approach has >>>> been very successful in digital technology. >>>> >>> >>> Digital technology is not fundamental physics. >>> >>>> Another way of isomorphic representation of the structure of real-world >>>> objects that is even more similar to the structure of real-world objects is >>>> set theory since real-world objects are collections of collections of >>>> collections etc. >>>> >>> >>> Is there a set that contains all sets? >>> >> >> There's is a short computer program that executes all other computer >> programs: >> >> https://youtu.be/T1Ogwa76yQo >> >> It's distribution will be of a type where shorter programs are >> exponentially more frequent the shorter the description is. This accounts >> for the law of parsimony (assuming we belong to such an ensemble). >> > > > As I said, that is known as begging the question. > > Bruce > To offer a theory that gives an explanation/answer to some question is how science progresses. The theory may be right or wrong. It only becomes a logical fallacy when one says the predictions are necessary true because the theory is necessarily true. Otherwise Newton was begging the question when he offered a theory of universal gravitation. Jason > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLRPKLpeS4hkmKEscNzoyOM8nQpHXrOs8UiAmh0GFj4GWw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLRPKLpeS4hkmKEscNzoyOM8nQpHXrOs8UiAmh0GFj4GWw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhXkj3hB3RKK%2BwncaQbm4toenVBL965v5fj0RMcfmoS-w%40mail.gmail.com.
