On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:13 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 3/1/2022 12:58 PM, John Clark wrote:
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> Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> * >>> Every deterministic theory requires that the universe began in one
>> and only one very specific initial condition. *
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> >> Incorrect, none of the others demand specificity, none of the others
> are picky about initial conditions.
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> * > So you're denying that deterministic mechanics are time reversible and
> so could be projected back to specific state?*
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 Brent you are being disingenuous, I don't believe any disinterested party
could read what I wrote and make that conclusion.


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> No other cosmological theory needs the universe to start out in one and
> only one very specific state for the idea to work, nearly any state would
> do. Superdeterminism is unique, no other deterministic theory, or theory of
> any sort,  requires that the universe began in one and only one very very
> very specific initial condition, the only one that supports their pet
> theory. If the many world's idea could be ruled out in some other way
> nobody in their right mind would propose an idea as ridiculous as
> superdeterminism. Nobody!
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> Nearly all initial conditions would have resulted in a universe that
> looked pretty much like this one, but one hyper-rare one won't. There is
> one chance in an astronomical^2 number (or more) it did not, and
> superdeterministic fans insist that must be the very one it did start out
> in because they're desperate to avoid many worlds. Well OK two can play at
> that game, maybe despite all the evidence to the contrary, Fred Hoyle's
> steady state cosmological theory is correct after all but the universe
> started out in the one and only initial condition that would forever
> mislead us into thinking it is not. Or maybe the geocentric theory is
> correct and everything in the universe really does rotate around the earth.
> If the initial conditions were just right dinosaur bones could have been
> formed from non-biological geology less than 4000 years ago, so maybe 
> dinosaurs
> were never flesh and blood and  never lived more than 66 million years ago.
> If you don't like a theory, any theory not just many worlds, all you have
> to do is just ignore all the evidence that it's true and claim that the
> initial conditions are causing us to be deceived. This way lies madness.
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> Yes.  I said that it would ruin science to adopt it as a theory.
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> Brent
> That which can explain anything, fails to explain at all.
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