On 12/20/2022 10:47 AM, Dylan Distasio wrote:
I'd point out that the large majority of people in the US now have concerns over these particular vaccines based on how public health policy has been conducted over the last 2+ years.   You may be disappointed to find out that it's not just righty wingnuts who are questioning the reliability and veracity of public health agencies due to how they comported themselves, especially now that people have the benefit of hindsight.   The CDC in particular has done an incredible amount of damage to their previously sterling reputation.

US CDC data show that while about 69% of the US population has completed the primary 2-dose vaccine series, only about 14% of people aged 5 and older have received the updated booster.

This might have been avoided if public health agencies had avoided allowing themselves to be politicized, and been upfront about what they could know with certainty throughout this process, and honest enough to admit where things were not as clear cut.

Instead of basing policy that would have a huge impact on businesses and people's livelihoods on science, many decisions were made arbitrarily:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/graisondangor/2021/09/19/cdcs-six-foot-social-distancing-rule-was-arbitrary-says-former-fda-commissioner/?sh=2059263ae8e6

Nonsense.  This is trolling.  That decision was made to mandate distancing was NOT arbitrary and is backed by the simplest science of any airborne disease.  That the distance was 6ft instead of 7ft or 6.5ft is obviously and necessarily arbitrary.  It would be ridiculous to delay such a mandate until a transmission rate versus distance  could be determined for different environments and then make an "ARBITRARY" decision about whether a probability of transmission of 0.001 is acceptable versus 0.0001?


They also disregarded natural immunity in regard to setting policy because it would overcomplicate things, and because in their opinion, people were too stupid to have a nuanced conversation on it.

And people apparently are.  They're too stupid to understand what "aribitrary" means.


Instead of attempting an honest discussion and allowing those with concerns to voice them and potentially be refuted
in the public square and in the literature,

On Twitter on 8Chan.  Yeah that'll work out well.

they, in concert, with the mainstream press attempted to squash any efforts to do so.

"Squash" in the sense of not printing a lot of anti-vax propaganda that was "just asking questions".

Anyone who expressed any concerns was publicly demonized by politicians, public figures, and the press.

Yes, because experts that we hired to make these decisions knew a helluva lot more about it than politicians, celebrities, and reporters.  That's why we gave them the power to make decisions. People who "expressed" concerns were mostly right wing trolls.

Brent


It also didn't help that they changed the long standing definition of a vaccine (and no, I'm not buying their explanation and I doubt many others are):
https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/cdc-changed-vaccine-definition-more-transparent/

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 12:42 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:



    On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11:39 AM spudboy100 via Everything List
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        /
        > Statically we are looking at 1/100 of vaccine recipients.
        That a lot of people sick and then dead./


    *BULLSHIT! *And it is people just like you spreading this sort of
    quack medical advice that is killing people, thousands and
    thousands of people every fucking day.

    John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis
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    uty




        Such a nice little proggie puppet!

        Delightfully cheering.

        It looks great for DeSantis. If people oppose him, it won't be
        for have a grand jury look at the malpractices of the Dem
        party funder$.

        Back to the science article, and we are talking about 2
        things.  Statically we are looking at 1/100 of vaccine
        recipients. That a lot of people sick and then dead. Secondly,
        these are young people. who went along and then died. No
        pre-screening, just Dem insistence and coercion about taking
        the drug. People, including families of those who may have
        been killed, will likely seek retribution.




        -----Original Message-----
        From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
        To: [email protected]; [email protected]
        <[email protected]>
        Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2022 2:51 am
        Subject: Re: Fwd: Death, science, and politics



        On 12/19/2022 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
        The language is Hindi I believe.

        That's all you've got say about your Champion.

        There are others looking at the vaccines more carefully than
        you and John.
        Advocacy journalism follows:
        
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-study-covid-vaccine-blood-clot-elderly-et/
        Core report:
        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22014931

        Typical bad medical statistics.  They set a threshold for
        significance of 1% false positive, but then applied it to 14
        different "outcomes".  If there's a 1% chance of error that's
        99% chance of no error...on each test. So the probability of
        finding at least one false positive is 0.99^14=0.869 or 13%.

        And what is the only "outcome" they identified as significant:
        Pulmonary embolism in in the inpatient setting.  In other
        words vaccinated persons who were also inpatients had a
        significantly higher risk of PE.  Don't suppose it could have
        anything to do with lying prone a lot, or being in a hospital
        with other sick people.


        Counter argument-
        DeSantis' anti-vax grand jury petition suggests that a rise
        in cardiac-related mortality in young people might be caused
        by vaccines. Of course, if you actually look at the study,
        you'll see—shockingly—that the rise predates vaccination.
        Because it's mostly due to COVID itself.

        I am willing to find out whether it (the vax) does or does
        not present a danger to a minority of the public.
        Define "danger".  One in chance in a thousand?  ten thousand? 
        hundred thousand?


        Bhattacharya is a prof at Stanford and that is one thing
        neither you nor I are.
        And I know statistics which neither you nor he do.


        For the democrat practice of character assassination (which
        work great for your team members but not ours) there is
        Professor Makary, at Johns Hopkins, who sides with Bhattacharya.

        Oh well, now I'm really impressed there's some other guy who's
        taken sides.  Too bad nobody has an argument or data.


        @JohnsHopkins <https://twitter.com/JohnsHopkins>
        professor,
        @theNAMedicine <https://twitter.com/theNAMedicine>
        member,
        @harvardchansph <https://twitter.com/harvardchansph>
        alum, author of 2 NYT bestselling books. Honest debate is
        healthy, I can be persuaded


        "Lancet study of Covid+ and - teens found “poor well-being,
        fatigue & Long COVID were broadly similar” but loneliness
        increased steadily. Take home message—Long-covid is not the
        mass disabling complication that has permanently damaged a
        generation of children, social isolation is."
        All I want is to find out so as to save lives.

        If that were true you'd be advocating that all the
        unvaccinated Trumpkins get vaccinations.

        It would seem that practicing public health should be
        adjustable to discoveries in medical science.
        Seems sensible at first blush. Unless there are underlying
        financial or obsessive-compulsive disorders happening?
        Or, more directly to your flavor of your discussions: (Get
        Ready..)
        If ya want Trump back, this is how ya get More Trump!!!
        (Laughter placed here) :" Bwah ha hah hah hah...."
        Meanwhile,in a home in Florida-DeSantis Saves, Jesus too?
        Moses Invests, & Elvis Surfs
        Meaning, if you wish to hurt DeSantis and now you may be on
        Don's side in this, you won't hurt his chances by focusing on
        his grand jury move. He'd have to look weak against Newsome
        of Cal. The only thing Newsome has going for him is that he
        has been far, more, active, than Joe-Kamala on Renewable
        energy. How significant in 24 will this be, we have way of
        knowing now. As one dem pollster said back on November 10th,
        if DeSantis can beat Trump in the primaries, there is no one
        on the Democratic side that can beat him.
        And they're saying De Sanctimonious has no chance against The
        Stable Genius.

        Why do you bother to type this made up shit?

        Brent
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