Well stated. I am not advocating vaccine aversion, and simply am
deeply concerned about those individuals forced by government edict IF
they have a vulnerability to the mRNA vaccines or anything else.
Forcing someone to perish is the concern here. Taking the vaccines out
of ignorance for these people, IF there is suppression of evidence, is
a concern as well.
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From: Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2022 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: Death, science, and politics
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 at 11:57, spudboy100 via Everything List
<[email protected]> wrote:
I have had the Pfizer shots and advocate these for most of our
population. On the other hand, if some people have allergic
reactions to these shots causing clotting and cardiomyopathy, why
would anyone sane demand that they take medicine that will surely
kill them? What kind of people demand loyalty unto death, for a
public medical policy that doesn't differentiate for example about
physiological or genetic susceptibility?
Clotting disorders and cardiomyopathy are not allergic reactions. You
would not know that you would have these problems before you had them,
otherwise of course you would not have the vaccine. You would have the
vaccine because the risk of harm from it is a lot less than the risk
of harm from the virus. The practice of inoculation with active
smallpox, which preceded the invention of vaccination, carried a risk
of severe disease and death, but it was used because the risk was
still less than infection by respiratory spread.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34908713/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35655235/
Thus, all we need to do to reassure people is the willingness, so
far undemonstrated by the CDC and NIH and Joey, to fund for
testing those who might be vulnerable? It may be worth it
medically speaking once identified to switch to other modalities.
Astra-Zenica, the Chinese crap (50% effective) taking Paxlovid,
masking up?
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From: Dylan Distasio <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2022 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: Death, science, and politics
I'd point out that the large majority of people in the US now have
concerns over these particular vaccines based on how public health
policy has been conducted over the last 2+ years. You may be
disappointed to find out that it's not just righty wingnuts who
are questioning the reliability and veracity of public health
agencies due to how they comported themselves, especially now that
people have the benefit of hindsight. The CDC in particular has
done an incredible amount of damage to their previously sterling
reputation.
US CDC data show that while about 69% of the US population has
completed the primary 2-dose vaccine series, only about 14% of
people aged 5 and older have received the updated booster.
This might have been avoided if public health agencies had avoided
allowing themselves to be politicized, and been upfront about what
they could know with certainty throughout this process, and honest
enough to admit where things were not as clear cut.
Instead of basing policy that would have a huge impact on
businesses and people's livelihoods on science, many decisions
were made arbitrarily:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/graisondangor/2021/09/19/cdcs-six-foot-social-distancing-rule-was-arbitrary-says-former-fda-commissioner/?sh=2059263ae8e6
They also disregarded natural immunity in regard to setting policy
because it would overcomplicate things, and because in their
opinion, people were too stupid to have a nuanced conversation on it.
Instead of attempting an honest discussion and allowing those with
concerns to voice them and potentially be refuted in the public
square and in the literature, they, in concert, with the
mainstream press attempted to squash any efforts to do so.
Anyone who expressed any concerns was publicly demonized by
politicians, public figures, and the press.
It also didn't help that they changed the long standing definition
of a vaccine (and no, I'm not buying their explanation and I doubt
many others are):
https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/cdc-changed-vaccine-definition-more-transparent/
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 12:42 PM John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11:39 AM spudboy100 via Everything
List <[email protected]> wrote:
/
> Statically we are looking at 1/100 of vaccine recipients.
That a lot of people sick and then dead./
*BULLSHIT! *And it is people just like you spreading this sort
of quack medical advice that is killing people, thousands and
thousands of people every fucking day.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
uty
Such a nice little proggie puppet!
Delightfully cheering.
It looks great for DeSantis. If people oppose him, it
won't be for have a grand jury look at the malpractices of
the Dem party funder$.
Back to the science article, and we are talking about 2
things. Statically we are looking at 1/100 of vaccine
recipients. That a lot of people sick and then dead.
Secondly, these are young people. who went along and then
died. No pre-screening, just Dem insistence and coercion
about taking the drug. People, including families of those
who may have been killed, will likely seek retribution.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2022 2:51 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Death, science, and politics
On 12/19/2022 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
The language is Hindi I believe.
That's all you've got say about your Champion.
There are others looking at the vaccines more carefully
than you and John.
Advocacy journalism follows:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-study-covid-vaccine-blood-clot-elderly-et/
Core report:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22014931
Typical bad medical statistics. They set a threshold for
significance of 1% false positive, but then applied it to
14 different "outcomes". If there's a 1% chance of error
that's 99% chance of no error...on each test. So the
probability of finding at least one false positive is
0.99^14=0.869 or 13%.
And what is the only "outcome" they identified as
significant: Pulmonary embolism in in the inpatient
setting. In other words vaccinated persons who were also
inpatients had a significantly higher risk of PE. Don't
suppose it could have anything to do with lying prone a
lot, or being in a hospital with other sick people.
Counter argument-
DeSantis' anti-vax grand jury petition suggests that a
rise in cardiac-related mortality in young people might
be caused by vaccines. Of course, if you actually look at
the study, you'll see—shockingly—that the rise predates
vaccination. Because it's mostly due to COVID itself.
I am willing to find out whether it (the vax) does or
does not present a danger to a minority of the public.
Define "danger". One in chance in a thousand? ten
thousand? hundred thousand?
Bhattacharya is a prof at Stanford and that is one thing
neither you nor I are.
And I know statistics which neither you nor he do.
For the democrat practice of character assassination
(which work great for your team members but not ours)
there is Professor Makary, at Johns Hopkins, who sides
with Bhattacharya.
Oh well, now I'm really impressed there's some other guy
who's taken sides. Too bad nobody has an argument or data.
@JohnsHopkins <https://twitter.com/JohnsHopkins>
professor,
@theNAMedicine <https://twitter.com/theNAMedicine>
member,
@harvardchansph <https://twitter.com/harvardchansph>
alum, author of 2 NYT bestselling books. Honest debate is
healthy, I can be persuaded
"Lancet study of Covid+ and - teens found “poor
well-being, fatigue & Long COVID were broadly similar”
but loneliness increased steadily. Take home
message—Long-covid is not the mass disabling complication
that has permanently damaged a generation of children,
social isolation is."
All I want is to find out so as to save lives.
If that were true you'd be advocating that all the
unvaccinated Trumpkins get vaccinations.
It would seem that practicing public health should be
adjustable to discoveries in medical science.
Seems sensible at first blush. Unless there are
underlying financial or obsessive-compulsive disorders
happening?
Or, more directly to your flavor of your discussions:
(Get Ready..)
If ya want Trump back, this is how ya get More Trump!!!
(Laughter placed here) :" Bwah ha hah hah hah...."
Meanwhile,in a home in Florida-DeSantis Saves, Jesus too?
Moses Invests, & Elvis Surfs
Meaning, if you wish to hurt DeSantis and now you may be
on Don's side in this, you won't hurt his chances by
focusing on his grand jury move. He'd have to look weak
against Newsome of Cal. The only thing Newsome has going
for him is that he has been far, more, active, than
Joe-Kamala on Renewable energy. How significant in 24
will this be, we have way of knowing now. As one dem
pollster said back on November 10th, if DeSantis can beat
Trump in the primaries, there is no one on the Democratic
side that can beat him.
And they're saying De Sanctimonious has no chance against
The Stable Genius.
Why do you bother to type this made up shit?
Brent
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