On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 12:30:23 AM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:
The world exists as possibilities in God's mind. And then God chooses some outcome. This is an illusory solution to the measurement problem in QM. Whereas QM tells us what His choices are, it doesn't tell us what He will choose, and why. And you have no clue either. Does this God have any rules for choosing some outcome? If not, then we're back to *Irreducible Randomness*, which IMO, means* reality is Unintelligible*. Some very bright people on this MB would argue against my conclusion, but they're wrong! AG This similar for precognitions. You might have the precognition of getting hit by a car, but if you learn to recognize when a precognition takes place, then you can take action and select another outcome. Being hit by a car is probably the most likely effect, and if you don't have experience with precognitions you will get hit by a car, but if you have experience you might learn to recognize them and produce another outcome. I've had a few experiences with precognitions. In one case it was like reading some tea leaves and recognizing the clue. That when my father's passed away. I saw the "angel of death" in the vibes from his eyes. He died about two weeks later. In another case it was telepathic, like when my mother passed away. Her last thought was an important message to me, while sleeping. The next morning I got an email that she passed away. At the time I was in Ukraine, she was in Florida. The sceptics will say it was accidental, or just a dream. But they don't have a clue. AG On Sunday 6 October 2024 at 23:58:22 UTC+3 Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 1:39:12 PM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote: @Alan. You didn't understand anything from the Bell's inequalities. Bell's inequalities say that is impossible for the system to have any definite state before measurement. *If you had stopped here, above, you would have stated the situation accurately. Bell experiments falsified Einstein Realism, that a measurement reveals some pre-existing observable. What you write below is speculative nonsense. AG* The system is in some immaterial state with contradictory properties existing all at the same time, and only the measurement actualizes one outcome. On Sunday 6 October 2024 at 15:50:59 UTC+3 Alan Grayson wrote: On Friday, October 4, 2024 at 9:14:38 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/4/2024 7:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Friday, October 4, 2024 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: No, this was a conundrum of classical physics which was solved when Heisenberg showed that on Christmas eve Santa Claus was in a superposition of being down every chimney at once. Brent Superposition just means we are ignorant of which state a system is in, not that it is in all states simultaneously. This is the meaning of Schrodinger's cat. AG Exactly wrong. Brent Remember what Carl Sagan said; "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." In this case, with your strong confidence, you can surely point to the postulates in QM that imply your claim about superposition. Schrodinger thought otherwise and his position should not be taken lightly. AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ca812f58-54f7-44ac-9ee9-41c8bf1227abn%40googlegroups.com.
