On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 6:17 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > *> do any of the postulates of QM imply that a system in a superposition > of states, is in all states defining the superposition, simultaneously?* > > > *If the system is in a superposition of states then it must be in many > states at the same time because that's what superposition means.* > > > *> Apparently you've never heard of Schrodinger's cat. AG * > *Actually I believe I have heard of Schrodinger's cat. * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> 1bs > > > *>Second; do the postulates of QM falsify the ignorance interpretation of > a superposition; namely, that the system is in one of the states of the > superposition, but we don't know which one? TY, AG* > > > *If it's in one and only one definite state but we just don't know which > one then that situation is by definition "realistic", and the falsification > of Bell's Inequality cannot rule that out, BUT if it is realistic then > locality or determinism or both must be false. Whatever turns out to be > correct there is one thing we can be certain of, Quantum Mechanics is > weird. * > > > lgr > > > > > *In physics "realism" means something is in one and only one definite > state even if it has not been measured. The fact that Bell's Inequality has > been experimentally found to be falsified means that physics cannot be > realistic **IF** it is deterministic** and it is local, that is to say if > a changing force is always weakened by distance and cannot operate faster > than the speed of light. Many Worlds is not realistic but it is > deterministic *and* local so it is compatible with the falsification of > Bell's Inequality. Pilot wave theory is realistic and deterministic but not > local so it is also compatible with Bell. Objective collapse theories are > realistic and local but not deterministic **thus* they* to*o* are compatible > with Bell**. So no fundamental theory of reality that agrees with > experimental results can be realistic and local and deterministic, it must > give up at least one of those three things. * > > *As for Copenhagen, it's not deterministic that much at least is clear, > but even the believers in it can't agree among themselves if it's local or > realistic or both or neither because few seem to know exactly what the > Copenhagen interpretation is, but I think I do. The Copenhagen > interpretation is bad philosophy.* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9f8beaab-eee4-40a9-a0f4-d2061a12cd21n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9f8beaab-eee4-40a9-a0f4-d2061a12cd21n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3wnz6eJRSgrf22sFinrxMXE--5hxkyxk8pr0TDN87ZyQ%40mail.gmail.com.
