On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 11:52:52 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 8:51 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *> IIUC, Bell experiments falsify Einstein Realism, that systems are in states being measured, BEFORE they're measured. Now it's claimed that when a system is in a superposition of states, it is actually in all the states defining the superposition simultaneously. That sounds to me like Einstein Realism on steroids.* *In physics "realism" means something is in one and only one definite state even if it has not been measured. The fact that Bell's Inequality has been experimentally found to be falsified means that physics cannot be realistic **IF** it is deterministic** and it is local, that is to say if a changing force is always weakened by distance and cannot operate faster than the speed of light. Many Worlds is not realistic but it is deterministic *and* local so it is compatible with the falsification of Bell's Inequality. Pilot wave theory is realistic and deterministic but not local so it is also compatible with Bell. Objective collapse theories are realistic and local but not deterministic **thus* they* to*o* are compatible with Bell**. So no fundamental theory of reality that agrees with experimental results can be realistic and local and deterministic, it must give up at least one of those three things. * *As for Copenhagen, it's not deterministic that much at least is clear, but even the believers in it can't agree among themselves if it's local or realistic or both or neither because few seem to know exactly what the Copenhagen interpretation is, but I think I do. The Copenhagen interpretation is bad philosophy.* *I have to study your comments above. Tell me this, if you can; do any of the postulates of QM imply that a system in a superposition of states, is in all states defining the superposition, simultaneously? Second; do the postulates of QM falsify the ignorance interpretation of a superposition; namely, that the system is in one of the states of the superposition, but we don't know which one? TY, AG* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9956d0b1-cffa-4181-9792-fd9c61f2bba5n%40googlegroups.com.
