You know, I'm just as happy to NOT read this dribble, but when someone points out so wonderfully how ethical they are, and we can all go to www.infonition.com/ethics.shtml to prove it, then someone like me just might go there and read, and low and behold what is it we find?
Well, this character Greg, wants us all to believe his "ethics" are without question. So, let's take a look at his ethics page and see what he's supposed to be doing. First, Greg's point of vendor conflict is answered here: To never accept compensation from vendors for recommending products One must ask then Greg, have you ever been to a seminar, conference, or LUNCH where the vendor presenting paid for the meal, the snacks, the coffee? Second, Greg's list of ethics claim: To disclose any and all influences that may affect our recommendations Greg, does this mean that if I were to speak to you over the phone, you would tell me just how many times your Cisco, Microsoft, Bay Networks, etc., Rep. has called? Or are you saying that you never meet with the vendors to discuss how their products can benefit your customers? Do you ever read trade magazines that discuss the use of one vendors products over another? Will you then tell me all the magazines you read, what date, publication, page number, etc? Third, Greg's list goes on to say: To be fair and accurate when resolving disputes, problems or issues [and] To conduct ourselves in a professional manner at all times One must ask then Greg, exactly how does your statement of: "Wrong. You brought it up by throwing stones my way. I don't pick fights, I finish them." work into these statements? This is just what I don't need in a vendor. Someone who believes he's always right, and if he is going to have a fight with his customers, HE'S going to finish it. I can see now why people flock to your organization Greg. The point is, don't say something matters a great deal to you, and then give this list plenty of examples showing that apparently it doesn't. You want to wave a flag around and say "I have ethics" and yet not live by those same ethics, then be prepared to be inundated with the onslaught. I would trust Ed, Tom, Tony, and even Don, further then I would trust someone yelling about how ethical they are and at the same time say they'll finish any fight. It's time to throttle back now greg, and realize this. You are a Sales Manager for a company that apparently you are supposed to be drumming up business for. Just how much business do you think you have generated on this list after acting in the manner you did? Bob Sadler -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:08 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Ban him? Why? I hold him single handedly responsible for this lists entertainment value surpassing that of its technical value. -heath -----Original Message----- From: Erik L. Vesneski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Why not ban him? Surely there is a anti-spam filter on this list? This person seems to be interested in 'stoking' the fires of a few so confrontation may incur. Erik L. Vesneski Intel Lead - WCDC/ISO www.pmigroup.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Wrong. You brought it up by throwing stones my way. I don't pick fights, I finish them. > So why did you feel the need to change the thread to post the exact > same nonsense you've been spouting all along? Don't say that we keep > bringing this up. All I in the second post in the original thread was > that I'm a "vendor whore". You took over and started with your silly, > unjustified position. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:34 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > OK, for some reason beyond my comprehension people seem to have this > odd fascination with my views on ethics in IT. They are so fascinated > that every time I post something to this list, they bring it up. In > the interests of trying to move past this, you can get your fix of my > crazed views on ethics in the form of a free monthly newsletter, The > IT Ethics Newsletter. > > Details can be found at http://www.infonition.com/ethics > > I have not yet covered the Conflict of Interest topic but I'm sure > that it will come up eventually. Until then, here is how I see the two > sides. > > Greg: > Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant > gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or > perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client > (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that > third party. This is why companies have limits on the type and dollar > amount of gifts that employees can accept from third parties. Because > MVP is primarily a title and titles are priceless, there are obvious > grounds for a potential conflict of interest. And it does not matter > if the conflict of interest is real or perceived. The whole point of > ethics and conflict of interest rules is to help keep people from > getting into ethical trouble and to remove even the specter or > impropriety. > > The Other Side: > The MVP title is not unethical. In fact, it does not matter what you > do or who you accept gifts from or what the type or dollar amount of > those gifts, it will never, ever constitute a conflict of interest. > Furthermore, there is really no such thing as a "conflict of > interest". This whole "conflict of interest" nonsense is, in fact, an > evil plot propagated by the secretive Illuminati. Obviously, the > Illuminati have corrupted Greg's brain and the brains of all of the > corporations that have rules against accepting gifts. Don't become > another victim! Even if God himself comes down and points out that > something is obviously a potential conflict of interest, argue with > God because the Illuminati have obviously gotten to him. > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode > =&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
