--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
>
> > How can you possibly know what others experience or do not
> > experience? I understand your point and I agree that
expectation
> > muddies the waters of meditation, but that doesn't mean that
some,
> > eventually, swan-like, get through that muddy water and come
out
> > clean.
>
>
> By observation, experience and by gaining perspective through
other
> techniques/methods or simply by detailed instruction in the first
> place. One of the most obvious deficits in TM practice is torpor,
and
> then, falling asleep. If you know what causes this and when you
> observe (for example) that the technique for relieving torpor is
not
> part of TM practice, you can gain an understanding as to why it
> occurs so commonly. That's just one example, you could go through
> other parts of the practice and draw similar conclusions from
direct
> experience.
>
> Another way, is through authoritative testimony, the experiences
of
> others in the practical tradition itself. Particularly in regard
to
> mental mantra practice, it's very detailed in what the stages
are,
> what their signs are and what the pitfalls are. You've read
Padoux,
> so I'm sure you have an idea of what I mean.
>
Poppycock-- has no relevance at all in the REAL world. To each his
own, but don't expect to get here from there. Enrobed and glittering
ignorance, or maybe somber and serious ignorance, is all you will be
left with.
